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Nick Griffin & the BNP
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wearethesouthstand
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stony said:TheMightyQuinn said:The BNP will take a lot of tory votes.
On that basis only I am glad they are standing.
I think you're wrong there mate. Any progress the BNP has made is in traditional Labour strongholds. Areas of high unemployment where it's easy to radicalise the poorly educated and give them something or someone tangible to blame.
correct the BNP are strong in the NW and Yorkshire, places like barnsley where they have moved loads of east europeans in... its working class people who are voting BNP not middle class people
i don't agree with everything they say certainly but can see why some people would vote for them
mcfcliam
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Griffin is a right gozzy eyed fucker.
Well then believe it or not this is a discusion board .there is a general election coming soon & the BNP are putting up candidates .there are already posts about Labour & Tory so we are having a discusion , free speach & all thatffs said:why post this thread
Lucky Toma
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Even aside from everything else if somebody is f***ing stupid enough to vote for the BNP they are contravening their moral obligation as a voter. Because they would be voting for a party who essentially campaigns on a single issue - immigration.
It is for this reason that I have never voted for the Green party even though I am concerned about the environment. Because they too also primarily deal with only one issue (admittedly a very important issue - the air that we breathe!).
Crime, education, healthcare, employment, our diplomatic standing in the world....politics deals with every aspect of life's rich pageant.
Why would anyone wish to vote for a party which obsesses upon one solitary facet whilst neglecting a multitude of others which have argueably much more importance to ourselves, our families, and the society around us?
It would be like going to buy a new car and trying out various dealers.
At the first showroom the guy goes into great detail about the fuel economy, the comfort and leg-room of the seats, the safety features etc
At the next showroom a different salesman also informs you in explicit detail about the car's performance, its engine capacity, and its numerous features.
At the last place you ask the guy a simple question - lets say for example whether it has Sat Nav - and he shrugs. 'I've no idea about cars to be honest mate.....but at least the paintwork is white'.
It is for this reason that I have never voted for the Green party even though I am concerned about the environment. Because they too also primarily deal with only one issue (admittedly a very important issue - the air that we breathe!).
Crime, education, healthcare, employment, our diplomatic standing in the world....politics deals with every aspect of life's rich pageant.
Why would anyone wish to vote for a party which obsesses upon one solitary facet whilst neglecting a multitude of others which have argueably much more importance to ourselves, our families, and the society around us?
It would be like going to buy a new car and trying out various dealers.
At the first showroom the guy goes into great detail about the fuel economy, the comfort and leg-room of the seats, the safety features etc
At the next showroom a different salesman also informs you in explicit detail about the car's performance, its engine capacity, and its numerous features.
At the last place you ask the guy a simple question - lets say for example whether it has Sat Nav - and he shrugs. 'I've no idea about cars to be honest mate.....but at least the paintwork is white'.
Fame Monster
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Lucky Toma said:Even aside from everything else if somebody is f***ing stupid enough to vote for the BNP they are contravening their moral obligation as a voter. Because they would be voting for a party who essentially campaigns on a single issue - immigration.
It is for this reason that I have never voted for the Green party even though I am concerned about the environment. Because they too also primarily deal with only one issue (admittedly a very important issue - the air that we breathe!).
Crime, education, healthcare, employment, our diplomatic standing in the world....politics deals with every aspect of life's rich pageant.
Why would anyone wish to vote for a party which obsesses upon one solitary facet whilst neglecting a multitude of others which have argueably much more importance to ourselves, our families, and the society around us?
It would be like going to buy a new car and trying out various dealers.
At the first showroom the guy goes into great detail about the fuel economy, the comfort and leg-room of the seats, the safety features etc
At the next showroom a different salesman also informs you in explicit detail about the car's performance, its engine capacity, and its numerous features.
At the last place you ask the guy a simple question - lets say for example whether it has Sat Nav - and he shrugs. 'I've no idea about cars to be honest mate.....but at least the paintwork is white'.
I agree with you mate.
I personally think the rise of the BNP and Greens is a good thing, although at the moment I will not vote for them. The major parties will soon realise they are losing votes to those who are concerned about immigration, the environment etc. and hopefully change their policies to take these concerns into account.
Bluesince1979
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not sure if banning a political party is your opinion or your just throwing it in to discuss, but , no offence meant, its a ridiculous and dangerous idea. for centuries upon centuries we have been known as a tolerant and democratic country. to start criminalising and banning people for there opinions is fuckin wrong!
whether you agree with the bnp's ideas or not they ARE a legitimate party who SHOULD have as much air time as, say, the communist party.
i just dont agree full stop with this whole 'thought police' thing. if i decide i dont like people from norway, why is it wrong to express my feelings?as long as i dont go roun beating norwegians up what offence am i commiting?
surely thats what free speach and democracy id all about?
whether you agree with the bnp's ideas or not they ARE a legitimate party who SHOULD have as much air time as, say, the communist party.
i just dont agree full stop with this whole 'thought police' thing. if i decide i dont like people from norway, why is it wrong to express my feelings?as long as i dont go roun beating norwegians up what offence am i commiting?
surely thats what free speach and democracy id all about?
tommyducks
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So what if they said this is a white country, and non-white people should be forcibly removed? Millions of people living in fear because of a bunch of people whose sanity is deeply questionable? If free speech costs lives, then it ain't worth it.marcus said:not sure if banning a political party is your opinion or your just throwing it in to discuss, but , no offence meant, its a ridiculous and dangerous idea. for centuries upon centuries we have been known as a tolerant and democratic country. to start criminalising and banning people for there opinions is fuckin wrong!
whether you agree with the bnp's ideas or not they ARE a legitimate party who SHOULD have as much air time as, say, the communist party.
i just dont agree full stop with this whole 'thought police' thing. if i decide i dont like people from norway, why is it wrong to express my feelings?as long as i dont go roun beating norwegians up what offence am i commiting?
surely thats what free speach and democracy id all about?
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Anonymous
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From yougov...
Labour voting working class = racists, the lot of them.
First, who voted BNP? They were mainly men: their voted divided 61 per cent male, 39 per cent female. (Men comprise just 48 per cent in the electorate as a whole.)
They were also more working-class. In the country at large, professional workers outnumber manual workers by 20 per cent to 18 per cent. Among BNP voters the pattern is very different: 36 per cent manual workers, 11 per cent professionals.
But perhaps the most startling finding came when we tested anecdotal reports that many BNP voters were old Labour sympathisers who felt that the party no longer speaks up for them. It turns out to be true.
Labour voting working class = racists, the lot of them.
Bluesince1979
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tommyducks said:So what if they said this is a white country, and non-white people should be forcibly removed? Millions of people living in fear because of a bunch of people whose sanity is deeply questionable? If free speech costs lives, then it ain't worth it.marcus said:not sure if banning a political party is your opinion or your just throwing it in to discuss, but , no offence meant, its a ridiculous and dangerous idea. for centuries upon centuries we have been known as a tolerant and democratic country. to start criminalising and banning people for there opinions is fuckin wrong!
whether you agree with the bnp's ideas or not they ARE a legitimate party who SHOULD have as much air time as, say, the communist party.
i just dont agree full stop with this whole 'thought police' thing. if i decide i dont like people from norway, why is it wrong to express my feelings?as long as i dont go roun beating norwegians up what offence am i commiting?
surely thats what free speach and democracy id all about?
quite agree with you but if they got into power it wouldnt be a bunch of people would it? it would be a majority of people and ou have to respect that, or leave the country, i'd do the latter. if the majority of people voted them in they that has to be respected, doesnt it? as i say, the non beleivers would leave and those happy with the situation would stay.
wouldnt worry anyway, they'll never get in power.
as an aside, immigration IS an issue and i do actually think its healthy that one party does raise its concerns and brings it to the for front, other wise every other party would be quite happy to ignore it as though the problem wasnt there.