Nigel Farage

Ban-jani said:
You strike me as someone that doesn’t actually listen to Reform beyond the surface and then make up your own reasons for why they have such policy.

And before I get into this, I am on record as saying their costed manifesto is pie in the sky stuff and Farage is dodgy Re his finances and is only in politics for his own gain. I also think his relationship with Trump should rule him out on its own.

However I want to add the actual real context to your points you’ve listed for people that won’t listen to what they’ve got to say.

1) They say we can’t afford to increase it right now and want to reduce the deficit.
2) With the jobs market on its arse, a further increase will make matters worse at this moment in time.
3) Same as point 2, people are taking the piss with long term sick pay leave and Reform view it as a further way employees can game the system, this won’t get the economy moving and Germany are rolling back their legislation too for the same reason. Germany are doing it to get their economy moving and that’s Reform’s view.
4) They see it as penalising landlords and just want return to what it has been previously, hardly extreme, it was the same and Reform want to do, for the last few decades.
5) Reform believe public servants get a better deal than the private sector already and we can’t afford it - see the deficit point above.
6) Not to replace the NHS, to allow high earning professionals to use the private healthcare service more to alleviate pressure.
7) They want to reform the human rights act and withdraw from the European Convention so illegal migrants that commit crimes can be deported, and at the moment we have literal rapists not being deported because they make false claims of persecution in their native countries by claiming they’ve converted to Christianity or that they’re LGBT, or that they have mental health problems, it’s nonsense.
8) They view the police and judiciary of being infected by left-wing ideology and want to change it back to a neutral state where the law is the only thing that matters.
9) To get the economy going, this doesn’t include allowing companies to poison the environment as you stated. Yusuf has said the environment will be protected.
10) To save money as the deficit is too high, a small state economy is also NOT fascism as you’ve pointed out.
11) 90% of first world countries, including most of our European neighbours, which includes Germany and France, have detention centres for illegals immigrants. They aren’t concentration camps and that choice of language is hysterical.
12) Again, free market capitalism isn’t fascism, it’s an opposing ideology.

This is merely the context behind their policies, based on what I’ve heard them say and why they’re doing it. It’s not an endorsement. There’s several of those points I don’t agree with.
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OK. Just one point to make. I could add many more to that mixed up pile of crap.

ECHR rules have not prevented us from deporting failed asylum seerkers. English Law has.

PS. I do listen to what reform are saying. I don't think you are paying attention.
 
Ban-jani said:
7) They want to reform the human rights act and withdraw from the European Convention so illegal migrants that commit crimes can be deported, and at the moment we have literal rapists not being deported because they make false claims of persecution in their native countries by claiming they’ve converted to Christianity or that they’re LGBT, or that they have mental health problems, it’s nonsense.
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This legislation has been in place in the UK since Blairs Labour Government (amended by Mays Government in 2026). Any immigrant convicted of any offence punishable by 12 months or more imprisonment can be deported (as long as it doesn't impact on their Human Rights (this includes Drink Driving Offences)

Shame that the Tories failed to use it properly and that Reform are proposing legislation that is already in place but wish to amend it so that they can deport someone who may be killed on their return to their own country.
 
M18CTID said:
I'm not saying we should have another referendum mate - just that if there was one tomorrow, Remain would comfortably win!
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Depends what you mean by comfortably. I’d guess a vote would be about 55/45 in favour of rejoining. Not sure if that counts as comfortable. No way would there be anything vaguely resembling a super majority imo. Not if it was held today.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
This legislation has been in place in the UK since Blairs Labour Government (amended by Mays Government in 2026). Any immigrant convicted of any offence punishable by 12 months or more imprisonment can be deported (as long as it doesn't impact on their Human Rights (this includes Drink Driving Offences)

Shame that the Tories failed to use it properly and that Reform are proposing legislation that is already in place but wish to amend it so that they can deport someone who may be killed on their return to their own country.
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I can never tell if you’re being serious, then I realise every single post you make is the same.

The bit in bold is what is being used to game the system and what Reform want to remove.

So no, the legislation isn’t already in place and your last paragraph is laughable, as per usual.
 
Ban-jani said:
I can never tell if you’re being serious, then I realise every single post you make is the same.

The bit in bold is what is being used to game the system and what Reform want to remove.

So no, the legislation isn’t already in place and your last paragraph is laughable, as per usual.
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Soooo you would depart them even if it meant that they were returning to a death sentence?

Here's the legislation

www.gov.uk

Immigration Rules - Immigration Rules part 13: deportation - Guidance - GOV.UK

Deportation.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk


www.gov.uk

Foreign criminals to face immediate deportation

Foreign criminals will for the first time face immediate deportation after sentencing as the Government strengthens border security through the Plan for Change.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
Soooo you would depart them even if it meant that they were returning to a death sentence?

Here's the legislation

www.gov.uk

Immigration Rules - Immigration Rules part 13: deportation - Guidance - GOV.UK

Deportation.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk


www.gov.uk

Foreign criminals to face immediate deportation

Foreign criminals will for the first time face immediate deportation after sentencing as the Government strengthens border security through the Plan for Change.
www.gov.uk www.gov.uk
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If they’ve been found guilty of serious crimes then yes, but it’s not my point, my point is many aren’t facing a death sentence by being deported, they claim it to game the system.
 
Sky news reporting Farage just bought a £1.4 million pound house out of his £5 million pound security deal.

Sky have been singing his praises all year but changed tack now he’s won half the council seats.

Being the next PM will be a lucrative opportunity and well worth the security donations ;)
 
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