Nigel Farage

[Marklr]

Ask them also can they afford private medical insurance

..and do they mind having a big cut in their benefits?

 

[BridgyDids]

If Farage received £5m as a “reward for delivering Brexit”, then a pertinent question would be to ask what he’s been offered for becoming PM and from whom?

 

[Palerider]

So bullying Jewish kids and singing Nazi songs is a "skeleton in the closet"?
Taking a £5m bung from an individual who will directly benefit from Reform policies is a "skeleton"?

Give an example of something you consider serious if those 2 aren't.

I think I agree, taking them seperately.

Anyone found bullying or cajoling Jews or any ethnic group or anyone really should not be considered for any job let alone public office.

Anyone found singing Nazi songs or indeed any song glorifying the death of any particular group should not be considered for any job let alone public office.

Anyone found taking a bung or donation of any kind should not be considered for any job let alone public office.

I'll add one of my own, anyone found to have lied, cheated on their partners, ever stolen anything or been cruel to animals, insects or fish should not be considered for any job let alone public office.

And finally, I hope everyone is treated exactly the same in regards the above with no grace or favour given and no excuse accepted for failing to abide by the above.

 

[johnny crossan]

So bullying Jewish kids and singing Nazi songs is a "skeleton in the closet"?

"Gas 'em All" (to the tune of 'Bless 'em All') was a favourite apparently.

 

[hampshireblue]

I think I agree, taking them seperately.

Anyone found bullying or cajoling Jews or any ethnic group or anyone really should not be considered for any job let alone public office.

Anyone found singing Nazi songs or indeed any song glorifying the death of any particular group should not be considered for any job let alone public office.

Anyone found taking a bung or donation of any kind should not be considered for any job let alone public office.

I'll add one of my own, anyone found to have lied, cheated on their partners, ever stolen anything or been cruel to animals, insects or fish should not be considered for any job let alone public office.

And finally, I hope everyone is treated exactly the same in regards the above with no grace or favour given and no excuse accepted for failing to abide by the above.

You're actually being a bit stupid now with your examples but I suppose that's your prerogative on a public forum to compare bullying of Jewish kids with cruelty to insects, because it helps us all see exactly what you are.

 

[west didsblue]

I'll add one of my own, anyone found to have lied, cheated on their partners, ever stolen anything or been cruel to animals, insects or fish should not be considered for any job let alone public office.

Would I be ok to eat fish and chips?

 

[Palerider]

You're actually being a bit silly now with your examples but I suppose that's your prerogative on a public forum.

Yes I am being deliberately silly but surely going back to someone's schooldays to judge their character is well over the top? Now, I do not mind doing it but I'd want everyone's schooldays to be judged too and I was making the point that I doubt anyone would pass a moral purity test based on our schooldays.

 

[domalino]

has Nige commented on the 20 year old Saudi kid murdered by a white Brit with a knife yet?

Or is it 2-tier outrage?

 

[Vic]

Yes I am being deliberately silly but surely going back to someone's schooldays to judge their character is well over the top? Now, I do not mind doing it but I'd want everyone's schooldays to be judged too and I was making the point that I doubt anyone would pass a moral purity test based on our schooldays.

Did you lead Nazi chants at school? Me neither.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

has Nige commented on the 20 year old Saudi kid murdered by a white Brit with a knife yet?

Or is it 2-tier outrage?

You know, less the Saudi student part, I heard that story few days ago but couldn’t find it so thought it was made up. Just looked and the attacker got 22 years but was only published on the local BBC news website.

I find it quite incredulous that this wasn’t front and centre, considering the current climate!

I always try to think the BBC is open and straight with their readership, but after a few stories now being hidden, I’m beginning to think that there’s something dark happening in the background where they to are influencing how the narrative is told.

 

[BTH]

If Farage received £5m as a “reward for delivering Brexit”, then a pertinent question would be to ask what he’s been offered for becoming PM and from whom?

It's barely believable that Farage's £5 million gift that he is struggling to account for barely gets a mention in the media, never mind other reportedly similar gifts.

The question that needs to be asked is: what do media companies stand to.gain should Farage become PM?

 

[Rascal]

Farage and his ilk are poisoning discourse. Restore, reverberate, reform, revert, review or whatever these fascist cunts name themselves are only doing the work of the owners of capital.The people who fund them and give them money to buy £5 million pound houses etc. We are in danger of becoming a Plutocracy.

We are approaching a new reckoning where those with wealth take our democracy back to the 1700s, a time when wealth and privilege got you power. Of course the Labour party have much to answer for too, it has purged the anti capitalists and allowed pro capitalists to run the party, a party now run for those with wealth and privilege.

The far right parties know the left is in disarray and they have carte blanche through their wealthy owned media to attack the left at every junction. The current main attack line is that the left are the party of "benefits", the other attack line is "immigration". typical far right talking points. But they speak fucking nonsense, but the likes of GBEEBIES and the Mail amplyfy it and they are organs that Goebbels would have loved to have at his disposal.

I am appalled that the far right are making inroads into our great city. The only people who will benefit from a Manchester run by the likes of Reform are those with wealth, the working class will get fuck all, our lives will not improve, our neighbourhoods will not improve, your lives will not improve because immigration goes down and anti Muslim hate increases.

i could go on for hours, but i am tired, fighting against the far right is tiring, i am tired.

Tomorrow though, i will fight again.

No Pasaran.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

‘Consider yourself, at home …’!

 

[Blue Hefner]

has Nige commented on the 20 year old Saudi kid murdered by a white Brit with a knife yet?

Or is it 2-tier outrage?

Any moment now….

I’ve seen someone on this thread mention grooming gangs - one of the main factors in those cases, which rarely gets reported, is that chaotic people with a history and ongoing use of alcohol and drugs don’t make ‘good witnesses’. Now, it should obviously have been asked as to why these young women were in taking alcohol and drugs to this extent which made their statements inconsistent

But that is why we need unconscious bias training - poor, semi-homeless white girls should be taken seriously as the next person

Also, this was now 20 years ago and as a result(along with the Saville stuff) it could be argued(not my position) that the complainant(s) are taken *too* seriously which results in mainly men having very serious charges hanging over them for many years

My point is, the police and CPS have a hard job with limited resources

*My best mate is a criminal defence barrister who deals with this stuff on a daily basis so I do have some knowledge in this regard

** sorry for hijacking your conversation but I’ve had(and am about to have more Efes than I probably should..)

 

[Blue Hefner]

 

[hampshireblue]

Yes I am being deliberately silly but surely going back to someone's schooldays to judge their character is well over the top? Now, I do not mind doing it but I'd want everyone's schooldays to be judged too and I was making the point that I doubt anyone would pass a moral purity test based on our schooldays.

The point is that Farridge has a history, from mid teens to the present day of actions that would/could/should prevent him being given even one vote to potentially be a PM. It says a lot about the electorate what they are prepared to let go, a bit like Trump saying he could open fire on Fifth Avenue and still get in.

Comparing his schooldays and other events with "everyone else" is yet another bit of silliness on your part as not everyone else is striving to be the PM.

 

[hampshireblue]

You know, less the Saudi student part, I heard that story few days ago but couldn’t find it so thought it was made up. Just looked and the attacker got 22 years but was only published on the local BBC news website.

I find it quite incredulous that this wasn’t front and centre, considering the current climate!

I always try to think the BBC is open and straight with their readership, but after a few stories now being hidden, I’m beginning to think that there’s something dark happening in the background where they to are influencing how the narrative is told.

It was hidden away in the local news:

Man who stabbed student to death in Cambridge is jailed for life

Chas Corrigan, 22, will serve a minimum of 22 years for the murder of Mohammed Algasim last August.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[We've got Guardiola]

Farage and his ilk are poisoning discourse. Restore, reverberate, reform, revert, review or whatever these fascist cunts name themselves are only doing the work of the owners of capital.The people who fund them and give them money to buy £5 million pound houses etc. We are in danger of becoming a Plutocracy.

We are approaching a new reckoning where those with wealth take our democracy back to the 1700s, a time when wealth and privilege got you power. Of course the Labour party have much to answer for too, it has purged the anti capitalists and allowed pro capitalists to run the party, a party now run for those with wealth and privilege.

The far right parties know the left is in disarray and they have carte blanche through their wealthy owned media to attack the left at every junction. The current main attack line is that the left are the party of "benefits", the other attack line is "immigration". typical far right talking points. But they speak fucking nonsense, but the likes of GBEEBIES and the Mail amplyfy it and they are organs that Goebbels would have loved to have at his disposal.

I am appalled that the far right are making inroads into our great city. The only people who will benefit from a Manchester run by the likes of Reform are those with wealth, the working class will get fuck all, our lives will not improve, our neighbourhoods will not improve, your lives will not improve because immigration goes down and anti Muslim hate increases.

i could go on for hours, but i am tired, fighting against the far right is tiring, i am tired.

Tomorrow though, i will fight again.

No Pasaran.

I think what people really want is something in the middle but unfortunately sensibility has left the room even on the part of our government who can only talk about everything in terms of its relationship with taxation. Beyond that it's just defending itself from whatever shit hit the fan today, and that's all they do.

Sensible people don't want to pack off millions of immigrants but on the flipside they don't want unlimited immigration either. Beyond that people just want a good job, a good life, stable cost of living and that's it.

People don't want to be on benefits but they don't want to work every hour for free either. This is the core problem behind every problem and we're not tackling it fast or hard enough. This government is meanwhile more interested in itself than that which is why they're so hated.

What people are doing is they're feeling this pain and in the absence of answers they're seeking to blame somebody. And with that they'll either turn to the more extremes of the right or left because they're the ones who are loudly providing answers.

The question for sensibility and intelligence is whether these answers are workable and often they're not but they'll get the votes anyway, that's populism in a nutshell.

 

[hampshireblue]

I think what people really want is something in the middle but unfortunately sensibility has left the room even on the part of our government who can only talk about everything in terms of its relationship with taxation. Beyond that it's just defending itself from whatever shit hit the fan today, and that's all they do.

Sensible people don't want to pack off millions of immigrants but on the flipside they don't want unlimited immigration either. Beyond that people just want a good job, a good life, stable cost of living and that's it.

People don't want to be on benefits but they don't want to work every hour for free either. This is the core problem behind every problem and we're not tackling it fast or hard enough. This government is meanwhile more interested in itself than that which is why they're so hated.

What people are doing is they're feeling this pain and in the absence of answers they're seeking to blame somebody. And with that they'll either turn to the more extremes of the right or left because they're the ones who are loudly providing answers.

The question for sensibility and intelligence is whether these answers are workable and often they're not but they'll get the votes anyway, that's populism in a nutshell.

Good post.

 

[threespires]

I think what people really want is something in the middle but unfortunately sensibility has left the room even on the part of our government who can only talk about everything in terms of its relationship with taxation. Beyond that it's just defending itself from whatever shit hit the fan today, and that's all they do.

Sensible people don't want to pack off millions of immigrants but on the flipside they don't want unlimited immigration either. Beyond that people just want a good job, a good life, stable cost of living and that's it.

People don't want to be on benefits but they don't want to work every hour for free either. This is the core problem behind every problem and we're not tackling it fast or hard enough. This government is meanwhile more interested in itself than that which is why they're so hated.

What people are doing is they're feeling this pain and in the absence of answers they're seeking to blame somebody. And with that they'll either turn to the more extremes of the right or left because they're the ones who are loudly providing answers.

The question for sensibility and intelligence is whether these answers are workable and often they're not but they'll get the votes anyway, that's populism in a nutshell.

I think a key issue though is that something in 'the middle' from say 30-40 years ago is now regularly painted as extreme left. Going further back still, if you dropped Harold Macmillan into our current parliament and didn't tell him who was who, he'd probably make his way to the Labour benches and still wonder if some of his colleagues weren't a bit too right wing for his tastes.

To get those things that you mention in your second paragraph is possible but I think that will require a recognition that, far from the middle way, we've been living through decades of quite extreme right wing policies. The job isn't to find a new middle, it's to drag us back to the one that already existed that we have been taken away from. Any effective active will be painted as extreme but it really isn't.