No More Champions League For Me

Interesting and thought provoking, and I think you hit some pretty big nails fairly and squarely on the head. When I first went to Maine Rod with my dad and uncles in the 1950s I wasn't big enough to see if we went behind the goals, so they took me in the best seats in the ground - for the princely sum of 5/-. It really was a lot cheaper than the Roma game, and 5/- was what the seat cost, whoever we were playing. So price is an issue, especially in a competition where everything has been done to make sure neither we, nor Roma, have as little chance of winning the damned cup. I used to think it was great playing top teams, until it became clear the we'd play the same top team every season, plus another 2 or 3 teams who could be put into a different pot while being better than the other seeds we can't be chosen against.

This brings me to the City songs, which are the kind you might have sung on the deck of the Titanic sometime around midnight. They do belong to an age of defiant support for a load of rubbish, and it's ground into people who actually support the team of 11 concert pianists and not a piano shifter in sight. We still remember the bad old days, when we actually were 'ere, and it's now that we have doubts! The media do their best to keep us negative, in stark contrast to the other English teams. Every year we are told that this year could be Arsenal's year, despite their lousy record of complete failure stretching back 17 years. In 1994, the TV panel watched AC Milan annihilate Barcelona 4-0, but joined in a chorus, when prompted by the Chiles of his day, of "Manchester United are clearly the best team in Europe." That year they had lost to Galatassaray - then the joke of Europe : "Clearly no obstacle to United's progress" had opined Elton Welsby(remember him?), after staggering past Honved. Even last season we were assured that they had a great chance of winning the trophy yet again - as they got off the bus in the Allianz. "What a great run they've had this year!" We were also assured that Liverpool are made for the CL and the Anfield crowd would be hard for Real to cope with - as hard as the Bulgarians? This doesn't compare with the build up given to the PL champions, "not exactly a team of mercenaries" but a team which "can never get it right on or off the pitch in Europe." So why are they going to fail again?!!! Just the invitation Scholes needed to dig the knife in and twist it. No wonder our fans sing songs of defiant inferiority.

We laugh at conspiracy theories and say that it's paranoia and stops us developing "the winning mentality", but just imagine what any other team in Europe would be screaming if the got what we got. We comply with Platini's rules, but post facto not the ones he was actually going to apply, so a record fine, a CL squad restriction, limits on spending on transfers (all in the name of fair play) and, seeing as we're the champions, Arsenal and Chelsea go in pot 1 while we go in pot 2 (and the runners up in pot 3. Seeing as we got a decent group last season and, even worse, qualified from it, we're back to groups of death again, led by the ever reliable Bayern. And just to make sure they don't come unstuck, how about Arsenal (a) and Chelsea (h) to prevent any ideas of "resting" or "rotating" players like last season! It makes you think.

So I' not enamoured with the CL but I thank my lucky stars that the only bloke in the world that Platini and his band of Gerrymen aren't remotely bright enough to cheat is our very own Sheikh. I'm sure he'll be a model of Abu Dhabi courtesy, as always, when Platini has to present the trophy to Vinnie Kompany, about 18 months from now.
 
jimbopm said:
The problem with the Champions League for me is that post takeover, and i'm talking about the very early days here before we got anywhere near the competition, you could feel the established order moving the chess pieces around to handicap us before we even started. When I look at FFP and the ridiculous seeding rules for the Champions League, I just see an attempt by a bunch of crooked footballing bureaucrats serving at the feet of the G14. Why would any City supporter want to associate with that?

Don't get me wrong, the first time we qualified was great and the first time the theme played out at our ground playing Napoli filled me with a sense of excitement, but looking back at it now, it feels more like those feelings were there because of the novelty factor of it.

Maybe the difficult groups haven't helped, maybe tickets could be priced more competitively, but the bottom line for me is that it just doesn't get my juices flowing. I could think of half a dozen or so domestic games i'd rather attend and be prepared to pay good money for than to see any Champions League group game, regardless of opposition.

Spot on. I can't even watch the other games even though it's free. It's like watching paint dry. 2 clubs with 10 behind the ball playing on the counter. Shit refs that stop the game incessantly ruining the flow of the game. I just don't get all the fuss over the competition. Like we should all be stoking our pricks in anticipation of UCL games.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
liamctid said:
Not read through the whole thread, but I wrote this yesterday about the Champions League:

<a class="postlink" href="http://liamwright1987.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/city-and-champions-league.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://liamwright1987.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... eague.html</a>

Good blog, Liam. Agree with most of it, particularly your comments on atmosphere, although I think you overlook the significance of having two small singing areas who can't hear each other. this is worse in the Champions League because the away fans usually make an incessant noise, rendering the South Stand redundant because they can't hear the other side.

I've got to be honest, I always dreamed of the Champions League, but it was the aways I dreamed about. And they haven't dissapointed either.

Enjoyed your thoughts as usual, though.

Cheers mate. Whilst I don't disagree with the two small singing areas being an issue with the atmosphere, I think that no matter where you put the away fans City fans are always going to want to be near the away fans to sing off against them. I could be wrong, but that's the way I see it.
 
liamctid said:
Not read through the whole thread, but I wrote this yesterday about the Champions League:

<a class="postlink" href="http://liamwright1987.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/city-and-champions-league.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://liamwright1987.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... eague.html</a>


Good stuff that Liam.
 
liamctid said:
Cheers mate. Whilst I don't disagree with the two small singing areas being an issue with the atmosphere, I think that no matter where you put the away fans City fans are always going to want to be near the away fans to sing off against them. I could be wrong, but that's the way I see it.

Can't disagree with the point, except that it merely serves to confirm our inferiority complex. There is no need to play off the away fans if we have our own thing going. Does anyone think Dortmund fans want to be next to City fans in their stadium so they can "play of them"?!

Maybe we should concentrate on supporting our team FIRST, and worry about the competition between fans second?! Nah....part of our inferiority complex that we feel the need to compete, even when it is a competition we LOSE ALMOST EVERY TIME....even at home!

The funny thing is that away fans always seem louder than they would at their own place, because it is the singers are concentrated into a smaller, more vocal, core group when they are away from home. City have three singing sections; two on either side of the away fans and one at the other end of the stadium! Crazy!!! Imagine spreading the yellow wall around the stadium and putting the away fans in the middle of them behind the goal for the cameras to focus on every time there is any goal mouth action at that end?!

We hurt ourselves, then complain that we are hurting.
 
liamctid said:
Didsbury Dave said:
liamctid said:
Not read through the whole thread, but I wrote this yesterday about the Champions League:

<a class="postlink" href="http://liamwright1987.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/city-and-champions-league.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://liamwright1987.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... eague.html</a>

Good blog, Liam. Agree with most of it, particularly your comments on atmosphere, although I think you overlook the significance of having two small singing areas who can't hear each other. this is worse in the Champions League because the away fans usually make an incessant noise, rendering the South Stand redundant because they can't hear the other side.

I've got to be honest, I always dreamed of the Champions League, but it was the aways I dreamed about. And they haven't dissapointed either.

Enjoyed your thoughts as usual, though.

Cheers mate. Whilst I don't disagree with the two small singing areas being an issue with the atmosphere, I think that no matter where you put the away fans City fans are always going to want to be near the away fans to sing off against them. I could be wrong, but that's the way I see it.

Singing off against the away fans is a poor alternative to actually creating atmosphere though isnt it? Ideally a singing section should stimulate singing in other parts off the ground. "Banter" with the away fans will never do that.
 
I think there are at least three problems

One. The inability of City to raise our game at home in Europe.

Visiting teams play with great intensity but City do not, and furthermore our quality also slips.

I've watched Dortmund for example blow City aside, and they've done the same to Arsenal this season, but in their domestic league they are rubbish.

The result is that City fans have been disappointed on countless occasions now on European nights, and when tickets are expensive and the outcome is one of intense disappointment, it affects the attendance

Two. European nights at City are not a big part of the club's history. Scholes was criticised for saying that City on a European night does not seem special like Old Trafford or Anfield. I think he's exaggerating the atmosphere at Utd and Liverpool, but their fans see Europe as a big part of their tradition whereas we don't seem to.

Three. City don't have the supporter base in Greater Manchester to make up for the large number of out of town City seasoncard holders who don't go to midweek matches. This was always a problem for Cup games, although that seems to have been addressed now by the growth in City's support, but with the higher prices for European games you still see the absent seasoncard effect at European games
 
Marvin said:
I think there are at least three problems

One. The inability of City to raise our game at home in Europe.

Visiting teams play with great intensity but City do not, and furthermore our quality also slips.

I've watched Dortmund for example blow City aside, and they've done the same to Arsenal this season, but in their domestic league they are rubbish.

The result is that City fans have been disappointed on countless occasions now on European nights, and when tickets are expensive and the outcome is one of intense disappointment, it affects the attendance

Two. European nights at City are not a big part of the club's history. Scholes was criticised for saying that City on a European night does not seem special like Old Trafford or Anfield. I think he's exaggerating the atmosphere at Utd and Liverpool, but their fans see Europe as a big part of their tradition whereas we don't seem to.

Three. City don't have the supporter base in Greater Manchester to make up for the large number of out of town City seasoncard holders who don't go to midweek matches. This was always a problem for Cup games, although that seems to have been addressed now by the growth in City's support, but with the higher prices for European games you still see the absent seasoncard effect at European games
Good post Marvin.

I have chosen not to do the CL this time round, just don't think it is all what it's jade out to be. Plus there are far to many hangers on, nearly 450 seats given up for one reson or another last season v Barca. With fuel costs I decided to go to the Sheff Weds game instead of the Roma game and will be at the Newcastle game with 4 others all who won be at the CL. It really is swings and roundabouts now some will dismiss the League Cup for the CL At least I know I can get a league cup final ticket if we get there but will have no chance of a CL ticket. Everyone as the choice and mine will be at the Newcastle game that again should attract a decent crowd.
 
Marvin said:
I think there are at least three problems

One. The inability of City to raise our game at home in Europe.

Visiting teams play with great intensity but City do not, and furthermore our quality also slips.

I've watched Dortmund for example blow City aside, and they've done the same to Arsenal this season, but in their domestic league they are rubbish.

The result is that City fans have been disappointed on countless occasions now on European nights, and when tickets are expensive and the outcome is one of intense disappointment, it affects the attendance

Two. European nights at City are not a big part of the club's history. Scholes was criticised for saying that City on a European night does not seem special like Old Trafford or Anfield. I think he's exaggerating the atmosphere at Utd and Liverpool, but their fans see Europe as a big part of their tradition whereas we don't seem to.

Three. City don't have the supporter base in Greater Manchester to make up for the large number of out of town City seasoncard holders who don't go to midweek matches. This was always a problem for Cup games, although that seems to have been addressed now by the growth in City's support, but with the higher prices for European games you still see the absent seasoncard effect at European games

How do you know this bit is accurate? Utd also once had Mid week CL games . Are all Utd fans now in Manchester then?
 
Rascal said:
liamctid said:
Not read through the whole thread, but I wrote this yesterday about the Champions League:

<a class="postlink" href="http://liamwright1987.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/city-and-champions-league.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://liamwright1987.blogspot.co.uk/20 ... eague.html</a>


Good stuff that Liam.

+1
A very good blog that articulates how a lot of us feel about the CL.
 

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