No More Champions League For Me

[mancityvstoke]

It should have stayed "The European Cup"

as should the Premier league stayed Division 1

 

[Tim of the Oak]

It should have stayed "The European Cup"

as should the Premier league stayed Division 1[/quote

Yes I for one dreamt of lifting the European Cup for us. Shame most of my football career was spent in the pub leagues.

I agree with a fair amount of Liam's good blog. I would add the relocating of people in Level 2 for UEFA freeloaders hasn't helped the Champs League vibe.

Anyway, if I get back from Rome in one piece, hopefully I will see a knockout stage or two in this year's CL where the atmosphere could be better if the Club cuts the ticket prices!

 

[liamctid]

Good blog, Liam. Agree with most of it, particularly your comments on atmosphere, although I think you overlook the significance of having two small singing areas who can't hear each other. this is worse in the Champions League because the away fans usually make an incessant noise, rendering the South Stand redundant because they can't hear the other side.

I've got to be honest, I always dreamed of the Champions League, but it was the aways I dreamed about. And they haven't dissapointed either.

Enjoyed your thoughts as usual, though.

Cheers mate. Whilst I don't disagree with the two small singing areas being an issue with the atmosphere, I think that no matter where you put the away fans City fans are always going to want to be near the away fans to sing off against them. I could be wrong, but that's the way I see it.

Singing off against the away fans is a poor alternative to actually creating atmosphere though isnt it? Ideally a singing section should stimulate singing in other parts off the ground. "Banter" with the away fans will never do that.

I agree with you mate. I stand in 117 and can barely hear the away fans - I love it. We shouldn't need to have the away fans, but the proof is there that a lot of City fans would prefer to be singing about the opposition/their fans. Which is a bit shit.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

The fact that you can't hear the away fans actually illustrates our stadium's problem.

Liam, do you realise that every single singing voice in your area of the ground is effectively wasted, because your songs don't spread left because it's the Colin Bell Stand, and don't spread right because it's the away fans? Do you realise that on the rare occasion your stand hears and so joins in with one the other stand are singing, it's already finished? You realise that for the biggest games during the first ten minutes the two singing areas are singing two different songs at the same time, so the stadium can't join in?

There are about 3000 potential singing voices in the South Stand who might as well not be there, because they are too isolated in the stadium. That's the ground's atmosphere problem but those within it can't see it. Modern atmosphere is not a few hundred fans singing and clapping and standing up, it is the way noise spreads fast to fill a bowl.

I'm not having a go at you personally of course. But I am totally convinced that until the singing join as one, and their songs spread both ways, quickly, the rest of the ground won't join in enough and the problem won't be solved.

 

[Marvin]

The fact that you can't hear the away fans actually illustrates our stadium's problem.

Liam, do you realise that every single singing voice in your area of the ground is effectively wasted, because your songs don't spread left because it's the Colin Bell Stand, and don't spread right because it's the away fans? Do you realise that on the rare occasion your stand hears and so joins in with one the other stand are singing, it's already finished? You realise that for the biggest games during the first ten minutes the two singing areas are singing two different songs at the same time, so the stadium can't join in?

There are about 3000 potential singing voices in the South Stand who might as well not be there, because they are too isolated in the stadium. That's the ground's atmosphere problem but those within it can't see it. Modern atmosphere is not a few hundred fans singing and clapping and standing up, it is the way noise spreads fast to fill a bowl.

I'm not having a go at you personally of course. But I am totally convinced that until the singing join as one, and their songs spread both ways, quickly, the rest of the ground won't join in enough and the problem won't be solved.

Acoustics might enhance the sound around the ground, but when fans just don't sing in the first place it solves nothing

This is a general problem around All Premiership grounds and has absolutely nothing to do with the design of the stadiums and everything to do with the make-up of supporters - familes, and social control. The only time there's any atmosphere is when the kids take over in the concourse at away games because there's no control and they can do what they want. It's a little snap-shot of what it used to be like on the terraces when you and I were young

 

[Manchester33]

The fact that you can't hear the away fans actually illustrates our stadium's problem.

Liam, do you realise that every single singing voice in your area of the ground is effectively wasted, because your songs don't spread left because it's the Colin Bell Stand, and don't spread right because it's the away fans? Do you realise that on the rare occasion your stand hears and so joins in with one the other stand are singing, it's already finished? You realise that for the biggest games during the first ten minutes the two singing areas are singing two different songs at the same time, so the stadium can't join in?

There are about 3000 potential singing voices in the South Stand who might as well not be there, because they are too isolated in the stadium. That's the ground's atmosphere problem but those within it can't see it. Modern atmosphere is not a few hundred fans singing and clapping and standing up, it is the way noise spreads fast to fill a bowl.

I'm not having a go at you personally of course. But I am totally convinced that until the singing join as one, and their songs spread both ways, quickly, the rest of the ground won't join in enough and the problem won't be solved.

It's pretty clear that the south stand should have been our family stand. And the North stand, should have been where our standing section should've gone - with the small section of the east stand left in place to have 'banter' with the away support for those who enjoy that.

That way our hardcore, atmospheric support remains in one place where it can generate an atmosphere in every game, as well as having room for an extra 3000 singers who would like to go there (There is high demand for both 109-111 and south stand). When other teams bring 6k fans, it would be young children who aren't going to sing being moved elsewhere.

 

[ballinio]

The fact that you can't hear the away fans actually illustrates our stadium's problem.

Liam, do you realise that every single singing voice in your area of the ground is effectively wasted, because your songs don't spread left because it's the Colin Bell Stand, and don't spread right because it's the away fans? Do you realise that on the rare occasion your stand hears and so joins in with one the other stand are singing, it's already finished? You realise that for the biggest games during the first ten minutes the two singing areas are singing two different songs at the same time, so the stadium can't join in?

There are about 3000 potential singing voices in the South Stand who might as well not be there, because they are too isolated in the stadium. That's the ground's atmosphere problem but those within it can't see it. Modern atmosphere is not a few hundred fans singing and clapping and standing up, it is the way noise spreads fast to fill a bowl.

I'm not having a go at you personally of course. But I am totally convinced that until the singing join as one, and their songs spread both ways, quickly, the rest of the ground won't join in enough and the problem won't be solved.

It's pretty clear that the south stand should have been our family stand. And the North stand, should have been where our standing section should've gone - with the small section of the east stand left in place to have 'banter' with the away support for those who enjoy that.

That way our hardcore, atmospheric support remains in one place where it can generate an atmosphere in every game, as well as having room for an extra 3000 singers who would like to go there (There is high demand for both 109-111 and south stand). When other teams bring 6k fans, it would be young children who aren't going to sing being moved elsewhere.

this is what should happen.

 

[BLUEYESTU]

It's extremely rare I post on here, to be honest I find it a pain in the arse if I post something that rubs certain people the wrong way. But I've been reading this thread and need to say why I think a lot of people are 'down on the champions league'.
It's because we've never come close to replicating the feats of United in Europe. Let's get one thing straight before I go any further - I HATE Fergie and the players who played for him! But the guy was immense when it came to tactics, mind games and getting the most out of sometimes average teams. And he did it for fucking years! God I hated them for it.
And now we're in the champions league having spent a shed load of money on players and pissed off a lot of people, we have a beautiful stadium and some new silverware, but we look CLUELESS as to how to get to those heights the rags achieved. We look at the performances like against Roma and many others and it's just not there! The gulf between us and Bayern and Real is so big it's depressing and we just don't look like we have a clue to close that gap. Is spending more money the answer? I don't think it is. Getting rid of Manny? No way!
So what do we do? Well some of us say "I've had it with the Champions league".
I await the abuse :-)

 

[Georgian Maestro]

The fact that you can't hear the away fans actually illustrates our stadium's problem.

Liam, do you realise that every single singing voice in your area of the ground is effectively wasted, because your songs don't spread left because it's the Colin Bell Stand, and don't spread right because it's the away fans? Do you realise that on the rare occasion your stand hears and so joins in with one the other stand are singing, it's already finished? You realise that for the biggest games during the first ten minutes the two singing areas are singing two different songs at the same time, so the stadium can't join in?

There are about 3000 potential singing voices in the South Stand who might as well not be there, because they are too isolated in the stadium. That's the ground's atmosphere problem but those within it can't see it. Modern atmosphere is not a few hundred fans singing and clapping and standing up, it is the way noise spreads fast to fill a bowl.

I'm not having a go at you personally of course. But I am totally convinced that until the singing join as one, and their songs spread both ways, quickly, the rest of the ground won't join in enough and the problem won't be solved.

It's pretty clear that the south stand should have been our family stand. And the North stand, should have been where our standing section should've gone - with the small section of the east stand left in place to have 'banter' with the away support for those who enjoy that.

That way our hardcore, atmospheric support remains in one place where it can generate an atmosphere in every game, as well as having room for an extra 3000 singers who would like to go there (There is high demand for both 109-111 and south stand). When other teams bring 6k fans, it would be young children who aren't going to sing being moved elsewhere.

this is what should happen.

Not in a million years would they put the family stand next to the away fans. It defeats one of the main purposes of the family stand.

 

[ballinio]

It's pretty clear that the south stand should have been our family stand. And the North stand, should have been where our standing section should've gone - with the small section of the east stand left in place to have 'banter' with the away support for those who enjoy that.

That way our hardcore, atmospheric support remains in one place where it can generate an atmosphere in every game, as well as having room for an extra 3000 singers who would like to go there (There is high demand for both 109-111 and south stand). When other teams bring 6k fans, it would be young children who aren't going to sing being moved elsewhere.

this is what should happen.

Not in a million years would they put the family stand next to the away fans. It defeats one of the main purposes of the family stand.

which is ?