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[Marvin]

It's got nothing to do with being shrewd, it's got to do with our wealth being known by everyone, and our unwanted players being on big wages.

Enough insults

Oh get off your high horse Marvin, I'm saying nothing that 100 other City fans haven't already said. It's possible to be rich, famous, and good in the transfer market at the same time. Ask Bayern Munich.

PS: Was Weiss a big earner? £1.3million, clubs spend that on 16-year-old youth prospects nowadays. We got double that for Ched fookin' Evans.

Bayern Munich are in a totally different situation. They've been the leading German club for decades

There also many examples of successful City transfers in recent seasons.

 

[LoveCity]

There also many examples of successful City transfers in recent seasons.

Of course there have been. Yaya. Silva. Aguero, and others, all signings who have turned us into England's best team. But this isn't my point, my point is that in nearly every situation we have to pay optimal value for a player and sell our own for below value and no, not because they all earn big wages.

Another example: Felipe Caicedo

Signed for £5.2million, scored 13 goals in 27 games at Levante on loan but someone at the club put a fixed fee in his deal. Sold to Levante as a much better player than when he joined City for £880,000. Sold to Locomotiv Moscow by Levante for £6million a month later. So someone at the club cost us over £5million with one error.

United got more for dregs like Diouf and Obertan (£3million from Newcastle!) than we got for Weiss, who is a much better player. Because they know how to work the market well, we don't and our policy has generally (not always, ie. Clichy) been to throw as much money as possible for a player then sell good players at reduced value. If you can't see how there is room for improvement in our transfer dealings still then we'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Marvin]

There also many examples of successful City transfers in recent seasons.

Of course there have been. Yaya. Silva. Aguero, and others, all signings who have turned us into England's best team. But this isn't my point, my point is that in nearly every situation we have to pay optimal value for a player and sell our own for below value and no, not because they all earn big wages.

Another example: Felipe Caicedo

Signed for £5.2million, scored 13 goals in 27 games at Levante on loan but someone at the club put a fixed fee in his deal. Sold to Levante as a much better player than when he joined City for £880,000. Sold to Locomotiv Moscow by Levante for £6million a month later. So someone at the club cost us over £5million with one error. United got more for dregs like Diouf and Obertan (£3million from Newcastle!) than we got for Weiss, who is a much better player.

Bebe? There are plenty examples of Utd losing big monies in the transfer mkt.

Getting clobbered in the transfer mkt is a by-product of accelerated buying. Think back to Chelsea and SWP and many other deals they have done.

 

[The Future's Blue]

What I read is that Liverpool paid €1.7million compensation fee (paid him off) but still profited with €2million on someone they were desperate to sell.

Supposing they are paying half his wages though, this is still a deal I would've taken for Adebayor, Santa Cruz, or Bridge at any point after they fell out of favour, especially as Liverpool have gotten a transfer fee to help compensate for paying part of his wages. I agree Aquilani is a good player but Liverpool viewed him as deadwood, just like our club views those three.

What I don't get about your comments are that you are aiming them at our owners, not Marwood who you're trying to vilify, are you an ex-board member/groundsman?

Very strange, in deed, for someone with so many posts?

Not at all, when I say "I", I meant it in the same way as when we call City "we" or "us".

I'm not getting into the argument of who is at fault but surely it's beyond question now that we're not even close to shrewd operators in the transfer market no matter who is in charge of transfers. There are piles of evidence with perhaps the most damning being the Caicedo fiasco which is one of the biggest epic fails I've ever seen in the transfer market. If we want someone good we have to pay through our teeth, if we want to sell a good player we sell them below their value... if we can get rid of them at all.

Isn't this endemic of how we have had to evolve? The fact that we bemoan what Marwood hasn't done with the outgoings doesn't quite contrive with the players he's drawn in.

Don't get me wrong, in no way do I think the likes of Carlos, Yaya, Silva and Sergio came because of Marwood (but did he not have some influence, even though it took big money (which the owners had to sanction)) but at the same time I can't complain when we can't get rid for the same reason.

We weren't evolving at the time, we were revolutionising, and that's where the loss leaders kicked in, Ade being just one.

 

[LoveCity]

Bebe? There are plenty examples of Utd losing big monies in the transfer mkt.

Of course (but I'm convinced that was a corrupt deal) but in general they are much better at buying for value and selling for profit than we are. £3million for Obertan who was found out as a joke of a player. £6million for Ben Foster (£4million profit). £8million for Zoran Tosic (£2million profit on a flop). £2.5million for Manucho (profit on a flop).

Getting clobbered in the transfer mkt is a by-product of accelerated buying. Think back to Chelsea and SWP and many other deals they have done.

Sometimes yes, that's why I didn't mention Robinho, who we sold for nearly half of what he cost us. But by now we shouldn't be so naive in the transfer market which I believe selling a player who is clearly worth £4million or so for £1.3million is (to put it into perspective, that fee is less than what City rejects Dickson Etuhu and Matt Mills have moved for this summer). I mean what we got for Evans 3 years ago is an example of how a club like ours should be able to profit on unwanted assets. £3million for a League One striker. We'll probably sell Guidetti for below his value next if the pattern continues. None of these are relevant to the wages excuse either. BTW I also think we sold Onuoha for less than what he is worth, a capable ENGLISH Premier League defender should move for more than £3million in the current transfer climate.

 

[Marvin]

City and Utd's transfer strategy are not similar because Utd conducting their transfer business in a more considered manner. City's was a scramble spending on players who were stepping stones.

City close to loaning Guidetti out to Sunderland for a £1m plus loan fee. Perhaps we'll be able to deals like this in the future on the back of our new status as Champions. Deals in previous years were done when our main weapon was the cheque book. We were bound to get done.

Anyway good night

 

[brotherblue]

Wonder whats happening with young talents like

Nicolas gaitan
Wolfswinkle
Munian
Iturbe
eriksen
witsel
belhanda

All good prospects who with the right management can turn out to be great players

I know we cant scoop up all the good players n talent but would love for city to pick up one or two for the future and if need be loan them out or slowly introduce them into out first team

 

[rastus]

Wonder whats happening with young talents like

Nicolas gaitan
Wolfswinkle
Munian
Iturbe
eriksen
witsel
belhanda

All good prospects who with the right management can turn out to be great players

I know we cant scoop up all the good players n talent but would love for city to pick up one or two for the future and if need be loan them out or slowly introduce them into out first team

wolfswinklewitsel is a new 35% proof beer, get in.

 

[cmdub]

Bebe? There are plenty examples of Utd losing big monies in the transfer mkt.

Getting clobbered in the transfer mkt is a by-product of accelerated buying. Think back to Chelsea and SWP and many other deals they have done.

bebe is fucking class

 

[Soulboy]

Bebe? There are plenty examples of Utd losing big monies in the transfer mkt.

Of course (but I'm convinced that was a corrupt deal) but in general they are much better at buying for value and selling for profit than we are. £3million for Obertan who was found out as a joke of a player. £6million for Ben Foster (£4million profit). £8million for Zoran Tosic (£2million profit on a flop). £2.5million for Manucho (profit on a flop).

Getting clobbered in the transfer mkt is a by-product of accelerated buying. Think back to Chelsea and SWP and many other deals they have done.

Sometimes yes, that's why I didn't mention Robinho, who we sold for nearly half of what he cost us. But by now we shouldn't be so naive in the transfer market which I believe selling a player who is clearly worth £4million or so for £1.3million is (to put it into perspective, that fee is less than what City rejects Dickson Etuhu and Matt Mills have moved for this summer). I mean what we got for Evans 3 years ago is an example of how a club like ours should be able to profit on unwanted assets. £3million for a League One striker. We'll probably sell Guidetti for below his value next if the pattern continues. None of these are relevant to the wages excuse either. BTW I also think we sold Onuoha for less than what he is worth, a capable ENGLISH Premier League defender should move for more than £3million in the current transfer climate.

A couple of observations... I doubt that Etuhu asnd Mills went for fees in excess of £1.3m this close season. But if you can confirm their figures I will concede that point.

Weiss better than Obertan? Maybe in your opinion, but not in the real world... Newcastle had a choice of signing him or Obertan and they chose Obertan.. Rumours that Obertan is off again this summer for around £2.5m... so why don't the buying clubs see what you see in Weiss? The reason why we're getting £1.3m for Weiss is because no one is prepared to pay any more than that... unless you know different?

Tosic costs a rags £16m initially, and one year later they sold him for half that. I'm not sure where you get the "profit" of £2m figure from. And I think Manucho went on a free or at best an "undiclosed".

Like you I get frustarted at our apparent inability to offload for "decent" money, but if clubs don't want to spend that on our players, there's little we can do other than get the best deal.

Adebayor is a case in point. A great season last for Spurs, would be valued circa £15m in "normal" circumstances, and we can't get more than £5m for him. Is that City's fault? And if so, why?