North Stand Construction Discussion

[Manchester_lalala]

I’ve little doubt the finished project will look incredible but my initial reactions to the drawings are also a bit meh.

Looks quite ugly in my opinion but happy to be proven wrong.

I’m slightly underwhelmed at the minute. I’ve never been keen on the idea of the the square, hotel, museum etc being so close to the stadium. It looks like it’s pretty much joining on to it, I’d rather the stadium be left on its own and the new entertainment facilities away from the ground.

But then again, the club are doing this for our benefit and further show their commitment to the club. I’m sure it’ll be fantastic when it’s built, I just feel like the design could be a bit better.

 

[richards30]

Is there a fans consultation area tomorrow open before the game?

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

I wonder how they’re getting 2k extra seats over the 5.5k seats in the SS third tier? This expansion is said to have 7.7k seats by comparison.

The expansion needs to finish at the exact same point as the SS third tier so the old cable net can come in between the top of the stand and the roof.

If we look at this diagram below, then if they develop a new section attached to the current NS second tier, then it will have to be quite steep to finish up in the right spot. Not only that but we’ll lose the overhang a third tier would have which has around 4 rows.

This is why I’m wondering if they’re actually going to replace the current 2nd tier entirely to create something at a better angle because otherwise I’m struggling to see where the extra seats are coming from unless they makes the gaps between rows smaller.

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Think it was 6000 (before seg) & an extra 15-1700 around the pitch, but that’s still a lot of extra seats compared to the south stand extension. If you look at the Spurs Stadium, there is a line about one third up where the stand starts to steepen, I’ve sat in that stand about two thirds up and the steps are really steep. Then look at the sketch and there appears to be a similar look to the expanded second tier, with a dramatic increase where the extension starts from the current second tier. I know it’s only a concept sketch but I think tier 2 will stay as is. There’s also potentially 2 extra blocks on either end sloping out towards the ES & CB, this is where the extra 1700 seats could be coming from. And an interesting decision to be made regarding corporate, will they be at the back directly under the sky bar (preferable) or will they install lifts and put them central where blocks 236 & 237 are now

 

[Centurions]

More likely it will have two angles

I have no idea what the code is for things like this nowadays but I'm fairly certain they can't do that?

 

[berryblue]

Is there a fans consultation area tomorrow open before the game?

Received an email from City on Tuesday asking to fill in a survey. They will choose Citizens each week. Temporary exhibition in City Square North tomorrow and Sunday 26/03.

 

[bluesmith]

Is there a fans consultation area tomorrow open before the game?

Yes, Exhibition is at City sq until 26th, you can leave written feedback there.

 

[Mr Edward's shoe mirror]

There are hotels in Belle Vue and Gorton. I’m sure one at Etihad Campus will do just fine.

I'm not really bothered by the idea of putting a hotel onsite, but the one that has been presented in the architects drawing looks totally out of place and is blocking the best view if the stadium. The opposite side of the stadium is too close to the road, to get a proper look at the size scale of the ground in its entirety, so the best angle is from Joe Mercer way. You have to agree that it is impressive currently from that end and with a new stand it will look amazing.

This enormous hotel right in front of the ground is nothing to do with Football and that spoils it for me.

And I don't agree that the Etihad site will ever be an extension of Manchester City Center. They said that 20 years ago. There have been so many proposals put forward in that time. I know from 47 years of living here, that the huge residential areas that surround the site are a pain in the arse to navigate. There are networks of streets where people live, parks, railways, scrap yards, canals, fly overs that are not owned by the club and completely disconnect the campus from the City center. Many blues have experienced problems getting to the ground from town. Some people still don't bother with the trams because they are unreliable and decide to walk it or park as close to the ground as possible. Also, the trams stop running at midnight, and are not managed by the club. The site will have to survive by itself, it will have to be a desirable destination which competes with the City center, and not part of it.

And this co op arena with it's 32 bars that are open 7 nights per week. I cannot imagine a group of young people deciding to give freight island or the Northern quarter a miss, and get a taxi to Beswick to sit drinking cocktails looking out across City's car park, or marveling at the gas holder or cemetery. I love your optimism, but c'mon.

Also, why are people even bothered? The arena is nothing to do with City, is it? It's being built by an American company. The council owned the land it is being built on, so there's no money coming City's way. In fact, will the people using the arena impact match day fans. Will they take up parking spaces, seats on the trams and buses?

Sorry for not being part of the happy clappy mob, but sometimes you have to ask questions, point out flaws and be realistic. It's a football stadium for football matches, that is what it is for. It's not Las Vegas or Disney land. It never will be.

 

[bluesmith]

I'm not really bothered by the idea of putting a hotel onsite, but the one that has been presented in the architects drawing looks totally out of place and is blocking the best view if the stadium. The opposite side of the stadium is too close to the road, to get a proper look at the size scale of the ground in its entirety, so the best angle is from Joe Mercer way. You have to agree that it is impressive currently from that end and with a new stand it will look amazing.

This enormous hotel right in front of the ground is nothing to do with Football and that spoils it for me.

And I don't agree that the Etihad site will ever be an extension of Manchester City Center. They said that 20 years ago. There have been so many proposals put forward in that time. I know from 47 years of living here, that the huge residential areas that surround the site are a pain in the arse to navigate. There are networks of streets where people live, parks, railways, scrap yards, canals, fly overs that are not owned by the club and completely disconnect the campus from the City center. Many blues have experienced problems getting to the ground from town. Some people still don't bother with the trams because they are unreliable and decide to walk it or park as close to the ground as possible. Also, the trams stop running at midnight, and are not managed by the club. The site will have to survive by itself, it will have to be a desirable destination which competes with the City center, and not part of it.

And this co op arena with it's 32 bars that are open 7 nights per week. I cannot imagine a group of young people deciding to give freight island or the Northern quarter a miss, and get a taxi to Beswick to sit drinking cocktails looking out across City's car park, or marveling at the gas holder or cemetery. I love your optimism, but c'mon.

Also, why are people even bothered? The arena is nothing to do with City, is it? It's being built by an American company. The council owned the land it is being built on, so there's no money coming City's way. In fact, will the people using the arena impact match day fans. Will they take up parking spaces, seats on the trams and buses?

Sorry for not being part of the happy clappy mob, but sometimes you have to ask questions, point out flaws and be realistic. It's a football stadium for football matches, that is what it is for. It's not Las Vegas or Disney land. It never will be.

With your second to last paragraph you prove you havent a clue what you are talking about. City have a near half stake in the arena.

 

[jrb]

For the love of God, stop it!

 

[blueyorkie]

We do know, because it's mission statement is in the proposal documents.

I am privy to some of it, having been asked 12 months ago to discuss some of the transport issues and possible solutions with people at CFG.

Imagine my surprise that most didn't even have a clue why we had so many early leavers!!

As per my previous post, coming from Sale/ Alty. Thousands stood on platforms down the line all the way to Cornbrook for a tram change.

I use the car to try and avoid it, but usually takes me an hour and ten for an eight mile drive from 5pm, so I can try and find a spot to park by half six.

Happy enough with the designs, but you don't build a new housing estate without building a few new schools as well

Unfortunately it’s common for developers to build housing estates without building school’s & infrastructure