North Stand Construction Discussion

supercity88 said:
That seems to be the way to do it these days - it's what they've done at Anfield. Enables you to avoid disruption to existing operations and then just tie things together in the closed season.
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It's a great idea to reduce impact on capacity, but if this is the case, we're getting a 3rd tier bolted on if that 2nd tier stays the same because the 2nd tier as one is supposed to have a steeper rake than the 1st?
 
LeroyChickenSane said:
It's a great idea to reduce impact on capacity, but if this is the case, we're getting a 3rd tier bolted on if that 2nd tier stays the same because the 2nd tier as one is supposed to have a steeper rake than the 1st?
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Very true, they'll probably re-work the 2nd tier to tie in as well and look to do that in a closed season as well. Would just mean ripping things out and replacing on a new alignment.
 
Gordyola said:
More likely it will have two angles
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I wonder how they’re getting 2k extra seats over the 5.5k seats in the SS third tier? This expansion is said to have 7.7k seats by comparison.

The expansion needs to finish at the exact same point as the SS third tier so the old cable net can come in between the top of the stand and the roof.

If we look at this diagram below, then if they develop a new section attached to the current NS second tier, then it will have to be quite steep to finish up in the right spot. Not only that but we’ll lose the overhang a third tier would have which has around 4 rows.

This is why I’m wondering if they’re actually going to replace the current 2nd tier entirely to create something at a better angle because otherwise I’m struggling to see where the extra seats are coming from unless they makes the gaps between rows smaller.

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Might be no link whatsoever but I'm even more convinced we'll be proven not guilty by the prem league when a story like this appears. Surely if we were even remotely concerned with these alleged charges the club wouldn't announce this potential capacity upgrade?
 
Mr Edward's shoe mirror said:
I understand all that, but imagine there is no match on, and no gigs taking place, and everything is locked up for the night. You've pretty much got McDonalds or Asda.

How does a hotel like that compete with the 50 or so hotels in Manchester City center, where you can step off the train and walk to your hotel. You can and have a meal in a restaurant, go to a bar with work colleagues? Or go clubbing or shopping.

Put it this way, if someone I knew wanted to book a hotel in Manchester for a weekend. I wouldn't send them out there, Iooking out over an empty car park, having to get a taxi to go out. And not everybody is a football fan.

I have stayed at Milton Keynes dons hotel and Bolton Wanderers with work, and they were like a ghost town after 6pm. If getting a taxi is your ultimate solution to this, then why not just book one of the plethora of hotels that are actually where you want to be in the first place?

Although, if a hotel was built that didn't block the view of the stadium, it wouldn't bother me. Let it sit there empty most of the time, but rammed for matches and gigs.
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There are hotels in Belle Vue and Gorton. I’m sure one at Etihad Campus will do just fine.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
There are hotels in Belle Vue and Gorton. I’m sure one at Etihad Campus will do just fine.
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Probably worth pointing out how quickly Ancoats and New Islington has and is developing, what the markers for the outskirts of the trendier parts of that part of the city are, and where we'll be in ~5 years. By my reckoning Hope Mill Theatre is about 10 mins away, Cloudwater about 13 mins, and the very Amsterdam feeling waterside bars in NI about 15 min that you'll be able to walk via the canal from Eastlands.
 
Just been having a look through LinkedIn.

Put Etihad Stadium, Manchester into search and it brings up numerous events, meetings, conferences, seminars, etc, inside and outside the ground during the week.
 
blueinsa said:
I’ve little doubt the finished project will look incredible but my initial reactions to the drawings are also a bit meh.

Looks quite ugly in my opinion but happy to be proven wrong.
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I’m slightly underwhelmed at the minute. I’ve never been keen on the idea of the the square, hotel, museum etc being so close to the stadium. It looks like it’s pretty much joining on to it, I’d rather the stadium be left on its own and the new entertainment facilities away from the ground.

But then again, the club are doing this for our benefit and further show their commitment to the club. I’m sure it’ll be fantastic when it’s built, I just feel like the design could be a bit better.
 
HelloCity said:
I wonder how they’re getting 2k extra seats over the 5.5k seats in the SS third tier? This expansion is said to have 7.7k seats by comparison.

The expansion needs to finish at the exact same point as the SS third tier so the old cable net can come in between the top of the stand and the roof.

If we look at this diagram below, then if they develop a new section attached to the current NS second tier, then it will have to be quite steep to finish up in the right spot. Not only that but we’ll lose the overhang a third tier would have which has around 4 rows.

This is why I’m wondering if they’re actually going to replace the current 2nd tier entirely to create something at a better angle because otherwise I’m struggling to see where the extra seats are coming from unless they makes the gaps between rows smaller.

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Think it was 6000 (before seg) & an extra 15-1700 around the pitch, but that’s still a lot of extra seats compared to the south stand extension. If you look at the Spurs Stadium, there is a line about one third up where the stand starts to steepen, I’ve sat in that stand about two thirds up and the steps are really steep. Then look at the sketch and there appears to be a similar look to the expanded second tier, with a dramatic increase where the extension starts from the current second tier. I know it’s only a concept sketch but I think tier 2 will stay as is. There’s also potentially 2 extra blocks on either end sloping out towards the ES & CB, this is where the extra 1700 seats could be coming from. And an interesting decision to be made regarding corporate, will they be at the back directly under the sky bar (preferable) or will they install lifts and put them central where blocks 236 & 237 are now
 

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Psychedelic Casual said:
There are hotels in Belle Vue and Gorton. I’m sure one at Etihad Campus will do just fine.
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I'm not really bothered by the idea of putting a hotel onsite, but the one that has been presented in the architects drawing looks totally out of place and is blocking the best view if the stadium. The opposite side of the stadium is too close to the road, to get a proper look at the size scale of the ground in its entirety, so the best angle is from Joe Mercer way. You have to agree that it is impressive currently from that end and with a new stand it will look amazing.

This enormous hotel right in front of the ground is nothing to do with Football and that spoils it for me.

And I don't agree that the Etihad site will ever be an extension of Manchester City Center. They said that 20 years ago. There have been so many proposals put forward in that time. I know from 47 years of living here, that the huge residential areas that surround the site are a pain in the arse to navigate. There are networks of streets where people live, parks, railways, scrap yards, canals, fly overs that are not owned by the club and completely disconnect the campus from the City center. Many blues have experienced problems getting to the ground from town. Some people still don't bother with the trams because they are unreliable and decide to walk it or park as close to the ground as possible. Also, the trams stop running at midnight, and are not managed by the club. The site will have to survive by itself, it will have to be a desirable destination which competes with the City center, and not part of it.

And this co op arena with it's 32 bars that are open 7 nights per week. I cannot imagine a group of young people deciding to give freight island or the Northern quarter a miss, and get a taxi to Beswick to sit drinking cocktails looking out across City's car park, or marveling at the gas holder or cemetery. I love your optimism, but c'mon.

Also, why are people even bothered? The arena is nothing to do with City, is it? It's being built by an American company. The council owned the land it is being built on, so there's no money coming City's way. In fact, will the people using the arena impact match day fans. Will they take up parking spaces, seats on the trams and buses?

Sorry for not being part of the happy clappy mob, but sometimes you have to ask questions, point out flaws and be realistic. It's a football stadium for football matches, that is what it is for. It's not Las Vegas or Disney land. It never will be.
 
Mr Edward's shoe mirror said:
I'm not really bothered by the idea of putting a hotel onsite, but the one that has been presented in the architects drawing looks totally out of place and is blocking the best view if the stadium. The opposite side of the stadium is too close to the road, to get a proper look at the size scale of the ground in its entirety, so the best angle is from Joe Mercer way. You have to agree that it is impressive currently from that end and with a new stand it will look amazing.

This enormous hotel right in front of the ground is nothing to do with Football and that spoils it for me.

And I don't agree that the Etihad site will ever be an extension of Manchester City Center. They said that 20 years ago. There have been so many proposals put forward in that time. I know from 47 years of living here, that the huge residential areas that surround the site are a pain in the arse to navigate. There are networks of streets where people live, parks, railways, scrap yards, canals, fly overs that are not owned by the club and completely disconnect the campus from the City center. Many blues have experienced problems getting to the ground from town. Some people still don't bother with the trams because they are unreliable and decide to walk it or park as close to the ground as possible. Also, the trams stop running at midnight, and are not managed by the club. The site will have to survive by itself, it will have to be a desirable destination which competes with the City center, and not part of it.

And this co op arena with it's 32 bars that are open 7 nights per week. I cannot imagine a group of young people deciding to give freight island or the Northern quarter a miss, and get a taxi to Beswick to sit drinking cocktails looking out across City's car park, or marveling at the gas holder or cemetery. I love your optimism, but c'mon.

Also, why are people even bothered? The arena is nothing to do with City, is it? It's being built by an American company. The council owned the land it is being built on, so there's no money coming City's way. In fact, will the people using the arena impact match day fans. Will they take up parking spaces, seats on the trams and buses?

Sorry for not being part of the happy clappy mob, but sometimes you have to ask questions, point out flaws and be realistic. It's a football stadium for football matches, that is what it is for. It's not Las Vegas or Disney land. It never will be.
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With your second to last paragraph you prove you havent a clue what you are talking about. City have a near half stake in the arena.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
We do know, because it's mission statement is in the proposal documents.

I am privy to some of it, having been asked 12 months ago to discuss some of the transport issues and possible solutions with people at CFG.

Imagine my surprise that most didn't even have a clue why we had so many early leavers!!

As per my previous post, coming from Sale/ Alty. Thousands stood on platforms down the line all the way to Cornbrook for a tram change.

I use the car to try and avoid it, but usually takes me an hour and ten for an eight mile drive from 5pm, so I can try and find a spot to park by half six.

Happy enough with the designs, but you don't build a new housing estate without building a few new schools as well
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Unfortunately it’s common for developers to build housing estates without building school’s & infrastructure
 
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