North Stand Construction Discussion

[BeerIsTheBest]

Architect are you ?

Been to one of those Yoda language classes again? :)

 

[Northerndave]

I'm not really bothered by the idea of putting a hotel onsite, but the one that has been presented in the architects drawing looks totally out of place and is blocking the best view if the stadium. The opposite side of the stadium is too close to the road, to get a proper look at the size scale of the ground in its entirety, so the best angle is from Joe Mercer way. You have to agree that it is impressive currently from that end and with a new stand it will look amazing.

Walking up from the gasholders onto Joe Mercer way used to offer a great view of the stadium. That has long gone with the Co-Op now obliterating the left hand side of the South stand. With the new development it will be like Wembley soon enough with just the solitary blue bulb blinking on the top of the roof supports.

It's progress though and a large, indoor area to meet before the game sounds good to me.

 

[Gordyola]

I have no idea what the code is for things like this nowadays but I'm fairly certain they can't do that?

So the existing angle is restrained and the new additional angle is a few degrees difference in cross section you’d see a kink with the upper angle steeper The cablenet could dictate the height and the angles

 

[failsworthblueboy]

Coming from the guy who thinks that the general, non football following public, are going to leave the bright lights of Manchester City center to hang around in City Square? Yeah, I can just imagine a hen do from Liverpool, getting a mini bus out of town, to a football stadium, to spend the evening in the Aguero lounge. Give over.

I remeber the Northern Quarter being deralict only the Edinburgh Castle and the Daily Express showing signs of any kind of life, no jobs no money no investment and trust the clientel in the Edinburgh Castle were not a great example of "signs of life"
Nobody would go there they said, it's a dump and sh*t hole that no one will ever go near never mind invest,
Yet now it's thriving with plenty of places to eat drink and chill a great part of Manchester an expanding and ever growing City, I believe if we build they will come and eventually the City centre will grow and grow with the Etihad campus being part of it.
Maybe it's just me but I believe in our City, the Etihad Campus will be an integral part of the Manchester night life in the years too come.

 

[Gordyola]

I'm not really bothered by the idea of putting a hotel onsite, but the one that has been presented in the architects drawing looks totally out of place and is blocking the best view if the stadium. The opposite side of the stadium is too close to the road, to get a proper look at the size scale of the ground in its entirety, so the best angle is from Joe Mercer way. You have to agree that it is impressive currently from that end and with a new stand it will look amazing.

This enormous hotel right in front of the ground is nothing to do with Football and that spoils it for me.

And I don't agree that the Etihad site will ever be an extension of Manchester City Center. They said that 20 years ago. There have been so many proposals put forward in that time. I know from 47 years of living here, that the huge residential areas that surround the site are a pain in the arse to navigate. There are networks of streets where people live, parks, railways, scrap yards, canals, fly overs that are not owned by the club and completely disconnect the campus from the City center. Many blues have experienced problems getting to the ground from town. Some people still don't bother with the trams because they are unreliable and decide to walk it or park as close to the ground as possible. Also, the trams stop running at midnight, and are not managed by the club. The site will have to survive by itself, it will have to be a desirable destination which competes with the City center, and not part of it.

And this co op arena with it's 32 bars that are open 7 nights per week. I cannot imagine a group of young people deciding to give freight island or the Northern quarter a miss, and get a taxi to Beswick to sit drinking cocktails looking out across City's car park, or marveling at the gas holder or cemetery. I love your optimism, but c'mon.

Also, why are people even bothered? The arena is nothing to do with City, is it? It's being built by an American company. The council owned the land it is being built on, so there's no money coming City's way. In fact, will the people using the arena impact match day fans. Will they take up parking spaces, seats on the trams and buses?

Sorry for not being part of the happy clappy mob, but sometimes you have to ask questions, point out flaws and be realistic. It's a football stadium for football matches, that is what it is for. It's not Las Vegas or Disney land. It never will be.

City Football group are partners with Coop and Oakview in the arena Oakview are partially owner by Silver Lake who have a 18.1% share in CFG so the arena is part of City and income with be added to City’s turnover, the land is owned by City any income helps City with FFP. You need to get real this development is a massive plus for the club it’s why the owners are investing in the infrastructure they have a vision that's light years ahead of other clubs and you need to get onboard instead of crying about the view of the stadium The area is being built in a partnership of three companies two Mancunian, Coop and City and a US company who are experts in entertainment arenas

BTW The gas holders are being dismantled

 

[WRicko]

I remeber the Northern Quarter being deralict only the Edinburgh Castle and the Daily Express showing signs of any kind of life, no jobs no money no investment and trust the clientel in the Edinburgh Castle were not a great example of "signs of life"
Nobody would go there they said, it's a dump and sh*t hole that no one will ever go near never mind invest,
Yet now it's thriving with plenty of places to eat drink and chill a great part of Manchester an expanding and ever growing City, I believe if we build they will come and eventually the City centre will grow and grow with the Etihad campus being part of it.
Maybe it's just me but I believe in our City, the Etihad Campus will be an integral part of the Manchester night life in the years too come.

It will be a while before the hotel is complete by then we could have new announcements about what else will go on the campus yes there will then be a delay before are completed. We will also have a different economic outlook and there will be other things changing in Manchester other new developments etc

 

[Northblue]

City Football group are partners with Coop and Oakview in the arena Oakview are partially owner by Silver Lake who have a 18.1% share
In CFG so the arena is part of City and income with be added to City’s turnover the land is owned by City any income helps City with FFP You need to get real this development is a massive plus for the club it’s why the owners are investing in the infrastructure they have a vision thats light years ahead of other clubs and you need to get onboard instead of crying about the view of the stadium The area is being built in a partnership of three companies two Mancunian, Coop and City and a Is US company who are experts in entertainment arenas

BTW The gas holders are being dismantled

Might be wrong but I think I read the other day that non-football related income (specifically quoting things like gigs/hotels) wouldn't be counted wrt FFP. Generally agree though that its good for the club as I see our ownership reinvesting a fair chunk one way or another, even if its not allowed to be on playing staff!

Edit - I might've misunderstood, it was this twitter thread, just found it but now scratching my head

 

[Mr Edward's shoe mirror]

I remeber the Northern Quarter being deralict only the Edinburgh Castle and the Daily Express showing signs of any kind of life, no jobs no money no investment and trust the clientel in the Edinburgh Castle were not a great example of "signs of life"
Nobody would go there they said, it's a dump and sh*t hole that no one will ever go near never mind invest,
Yet now it's thriving with plenty of places to eat drink and chill a great part of Manchester an expanding and ever growing City, I believe if we build they will come and eventually the City centre will grow and grow with the Etihad campus being part of it.
Maybe it's just me but I believe in our City, the Etihad Campus will be an integral part of the Manchester night life in the years too come.

The issue with that is fairly obvious, though. There is a massive residential area between the Etihad campus and town. It's not an overspill area that is connected to town, like the Northern Quarter, you have to pass through this space. And when you do, there's not a lot that rivals being in town. And I'm thinking about the general punters, the students who are not from Manchester etc..

All this aside, I reckon if they built a huge casino. Like the biggest in Europe. A real 24 hour type place, with all the trimmings, like they have in America. It would be totally unique. There would be people from all over the world who would specifically visit or stay for that type of experience, because the ones in town are piss poor. In that sort of venture you could excel. It would also generate a rolling trade that never stops. When you travel around America or Australia, a lot of the big stadiums have casinos. There's a sound reasoning behind this.

 

[Mr Edward's shoe mirror]

Might be wrong but I think I read the other day that non-football related income (specifically quoting things like gigs/hotels) wouldn't be counted wrt FFP. Generally agree though that its good for the club as I see our ownership reinvesting a fair chunk one way or another, even if its not allowed to be on playing staff!

Edit - I might've misunderstood, it was this twitter thread, just found it but now scratching my head

No, I think you can make an income from stuff like this. It's a good idea. I didn't realise that City had some skin in the game with the arena.

 

[pride in battle]

Coming from the guy who thinks that the general, non football following public, are going to leave the bright lights of Manchester City center to hang around in City Square? Yeah, I can just imagine a hen do from Liverpool, getting a mini bus out of town, to a football stadium, to spend the evening in the Aguero lounge. Give over.

You don't know Jack shit mate, you haven't a clue, oh stormzy an investor? Not a chance...