North Stand Construction Discussion

[WRicko]

I wonder if we stated our intentions in 2015-6 and any new regs won’t apply, they’ve obviously waited for Madrid to get their house in order, rags & Barca are one to keep an eye on, manyoonited World etc, our owners are smart & I reckon we committed to the scheme a long time ago, if they want to start backdating things we can start at the Stanley park £50M black hole

I don’t follow the big infrastructure spending is still to come on the campus but then again we got the CFA done inside old FFP regs but I think we now won’t benefit from the campus revenue as much due to knee FFP regs so maybe the red teams have got us

 

[LEXSTARproject]

I agree with everything you’re saying. But calling it the Kippax isn’t going to make the blindest bit of difference.

When the Kippax went all seating, the atmosphere was no better than the East Stand is now.

Names don’t make an atmosphere, people do.

Our away support is mega, so there’s clearly appetite from at least a few thousand to stand and sing and make an atmosphere.

But the people who are going to drive an atmosphere are lads in their late teens and 20s. Probably the same as you were when you stood on the Kippax.

A lot of them will have been kids when Aguero scored that goal, and wouldn’t have even been born when the Kippax was a thing.

And far from being “wanky” I see it as a positive naming the stand after the best moment in the history of the club. Possibly in the history of the English game.

We should celebrate that, while also keeping it as a permanent reminder to the shite that the best stand in the country and an iconic building for the city is named after the moment that changed the balance of power and broke their hearts.

Sometimes I wish we could go back in time too. But we can only go forward.

Well said, you are so spot on here , someone needs to get all the away fans together in the new North Stand, set up a supporters club so they can all be in the same area

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

The Kippax standing was knocked down 30 years ago you've got to be approx 40 to remember it. How much emotional attachment do late teens and twenty odd year old have to it, as they are the ones we need to attract to create the atmosphere in the new NS2.
I would personally go with the 9320 end.

Younger people still have a connection to it. It’s our history and culture. Most younger people didn’t see Colin bell play - he’s still a legend, an icon and stories about him have been passed down by father and grandfathers. It’s the same with the kippax

I don’t think we should just ignore 100odd years of history and only name things in the ground after recent events. In 20 years time most younger people wouldn’t have seen the aguero moment either

 

[blingy]

Hey, I agree that City square requires all of the things you mentioned, but it can all be incorporated into a single or 2 storey building, spread over a large area, without a huge hotel on top of it, which totally obscures the view of an iconic stadium.

There are 365 days in a year. How many home matches & gigs be taking place across the entirety of that year? Even if it was one match and one gig per week, which it isn't, that would be 104 nights. Is that enough to keep a massive hotel going?

In this image, it actually looks like the fanzone and shops/bars will be on the ground floor and the hotel is sitting on top of it. For me, it is the hotel which ruins it. The ground floor areas would be fine and would not be an eyesore.

Is the building sticking out to the left not the hotel ? Is there confirmation that the hotel will be In the horseshoe shape construction ? is there confirmation where anything will be in the construction !

 

[Johnny Mars Bar]

Sorry but the Kippax has to be along side not the goal end.

Just be weird calling it that.

I’ve said a load of times, they need to name it after Trautmann.

 

[dublinblue12]

Something like the south stand at new white Hart Lane be great and yeah call it the Kippax

 

[bluesmith]

Younger people still have a connection to it. It’s our history and culture. Most younger people didn’t see Colin bell play - he’s still a legend, an icon and stories about him have been passed down by father and grandfathers. It’s the same with the kippax

I don’t think we should just ignore 100odd years of history and only name things in the ground after recent events. In 20 years time most younger people wouldn’t have seen the aguero moment either

Who said anything about ignoring 100 years of history? We've literally got the Colin Bell stand.

 

[pride in battle]

The issue with that is fairly obvious, though. There is a massive residential area between the Etihad campus and town. It's not an overspill area that is connected to town, like the Northern Quarter, you have to pass through this space. And when you do, there's not a lot that rivals being in town. And I'm thinking about the general punters, the students who are not from Manchester etc..

All this aside, I reckon if they built a huge casino. Like the biggest in Europe. A real 24 hour type place, with all the trimmings, like they have in America. It would be totally unique. There would be people from all over the world who would specifically visit or stay for that type of experience, because the ones in town are piss poor. In that sort of venture you could excel. It would also generate a rolling trade that never stops. When you travel around America or Australia, a lot of the big stadiums have casinos. There's a sound reasoning behind this.

You talk some shit mate

 

[pride in battle]

forget about all that shite, I know it's hard to. But imagine from the pitch side, having a full stand behind the goal which became infamous again. Just a wall of noise. Aguero stand sounds wanky to me. The Kippax ticks all the boxes. It has the history, and it tells the world that this is where the noise comes from, where the camera pans to after a goal, the voice of the fans. Not for day trippers or people who have won a competition. The Kippax, where you will hear foul language, where drunk men will let it all out. Somewhere authentic and not contrived, or made up by marketing wankers with no attachment to the club.

You know, there's hundreds of people employed by the club who don't actually support City or even follow football. They've studied marketing at uni, and these are the people who make decisions about the fan experience, and all the stuff that makes you cringe. Light shows and Hugh Ferris.

I was at Old Scaffold, last month, and when they scored that dodgy equaliser, IMO the second goal came from the Stretford end going totally mental. It was like an explosion. As soon as I heard it, I was thinking, "their gonna score here." And they did.

There is nothing like that at the Etihad ATM. No wall of noise, no area where all the nutters are in one place. It's too corporate, too contrived, not edgy or vibrant. Very sanitised. Winning consistently has taken the edge off.

The plans for this new stand seem to appeal to a different sort of clientele. Souvenir shops, a hotel, fast food outlets. It's not really that focused on creating a better atmosphere.

RAG

 

[Shaelumstash]

Calling it the Kippax won’t magically bring atmosphere but it will bring people. It’s a name associated with a stand where the most hardcore singers are located.

When people get asked ‘Have you seen the new Kippax? We could move there?’, it’s a lot more attractive and more exciting than ‘Have you seen the new north stand?’. That’s because it provides an instant emotional connection that will mean more people will want to be part of it.

It didn’t work last time though, mate.

The Kippax when it was standing was absolutely mega for atmosphere.

The Kippax when it was seating was absolute shite for atmosphere.

Ironically enough, the best atmosphere was in the North Stand after the Kippax was rebuilt.

I loved the Kippax when it was standing, absolutely brilliant atmosphere week after week and some amazing memories.

The the lads in their 20s need to create their own atmosphere. Naming a new stand after one that had a good atmosphere 10 years before they were born isn’t going to make a difference to how much they sing.