North Stand Construction Discussion

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Here is a suggestion to get rid of Joe's area in the North Stand, replace it with a double side goalline bar as shown in the video below, doing this you could service city hall before and during the game(also events) and serving the bottom half of the North Stand during the game.City Hall can hold up to 1800 fans on a match day the two bars is not enough for that amount of fans. The goal bar city hall side would be on a messaizne floor that is linked up to the city hall via staircases

They really need to get jump studios involved as they are working on COOP live and did the fantastic setup Spurs stadium, an in-house Breawary is also a shout with Manchester Brewing's history

This was their ethos

Tottenham Hotspur Stadium sets a new benchmark for premium and concourse offerings, creating an unrivalled match day experience for every fan, no matter what ticket they hold. Jump Studios, a Populous company, has designed a variety of ‘multi-experience’ interior spaces within the stadium, taking inspiration from the Club’s rich heritage and long history in Tottenham.​



The Market Place

Jump Studios has referenced the stadium site’s historic use as a market in the concept for the ‘true fan zone’ centrepiece, located underneath the 17,500-seat South Stand. The Market Place includes:

– A 65-metre-long, oak-topped Goal Line Bar – the longest in Europe – which represents the width of the goal line

– Street-style food units (Linesman, N17 Grill, Naan & Noodle, Smashed Olive and the Chicken House) bring a uniquely ‘North London market’ feel

– Stepped terraces providing seating for fans to enjoy a drink or a bite to eat while also referencing back to old-style stadium seating

Local brewer Beavertown Brewery also add their own inimitable presence within The Market Place with a microbrewery and the Beavertown Tottenham Taproom – a world first within a football stadium. Jump Studios worked closely with Beavertown’s founder and CEO, Logan Plant, and creative director, Nick Dwyer, to bring the brand to life, merging the key elements of Beavertown’s branding with the familiar material palette from the stadium’s concourse. Key design motifs to look out for include the rustic concrete-topped bar and show-stopping neon lighting.

Feature Bars

Around the ground, three feature bars (known as The Shelf, The White Hart and The Dispensary) celebrate the history of the stadium and local area:

– The White Hart pays design homage to a local pub and the Club’s old ground, incorporating design references and visual impressions of the Club’s former home. Indeed, The Lane was also previously owned by Charrington’s Brewery

– The Dispensary takes its name from the old Tottenham and Edmonton Dispensary that was once a much-loved feature of the high street. Key elements have been used to influence the new bar design, with the salvaged frontage of the original dispensary placed proudly within the Tottenham Experience

– ‘The Shelf’ traditionally referred to the famous White Hart Lane East Stand, designed in 1934 by famed stadium architect Archibald Leitch. This new bar design takes inspiration from the stand’s structure and the metal and timber materials used, while bricks from the old stadium create a new wall display to celebrate the original iconic design

Liam Doyle, Associate and Project Lead at Jump Studios, said:

“Our intention from the outset has been to reflect the heritage and history of White Hart Lane, while at the same time incorporating the best elements drawn from a modern hospitality landscape – from the diversity and immediacy of street food markets to the energy and excitement of London’s vibrant club and bar scene.”

 
LEXSTARproject said:
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Here is a suggestion to get rid of Joe's area in the North Stand, replace it with a double side goalline bar as shown in the video below, doing this you could service city hall before and during the game(also events) and serving the bottom half of the North Stand during the game.City Hall can hold up to 1800 fans on a match day the two bars is not enough for that amount of fans. The goal bar city hall side would be on a messaizne floor that is linked up to the city hall via staircases

They really need to get jump studios involved as they are working on COOP live and did the fantastic setup Spurs stadium, an in-house Breawary is also a shout with Manchester Brewing's history

This was their ethos

Tottenham Hotspur Stadium sets a new benchmark for premium and concourse offerings, creating an unrivalled match day experience for every fan, no matter what ticket they hold. Jump Studios, a Populous company, has designed a variety of ‘multi-experience’ interior spaces within the stadium, taking inspiration from the Club’s rich heritage and long history in Tottenham.​



The Market Place

Jump Studios has referenced the stadium site’s historic use as a market in the concept for the ‘true fan zone’ centrepiece, located underneath the 17,500-seat South Stand. The Market Place includes:

– A 65-metre-long, oak-topped Goal Line Bar – the longest in Europe – which represents the width of the goal line

– Street-style food units (Linesman, N17 Grill, Naan & Noodle, Smashed Olive and the Chicken House) bring a uniquely ‘North London market’ feel

– Stepped terraces providing seating for fans to enjoy a drink or a bite to eat while also referencing back to old-style stadium seating

Local brewer Beavertown Brewery also add their own inimitable presence within The Market Place with a microbrewery and the Beavertown Tottenham Taproom – a world first within a football stadium. Jump Studios worked closely with Beavertown’s founder and CEO, Logan Plant, and creative director, Nick Dwyer, to bring the brand to life, merging the key elements of Beavertown’s branding with the familiar material palette from the stadium’s concourse. Key design motifs to look out for include the rustic concrete-topped bar and show-stopping neon lighting.

Feature Bars

Around the ground, three feature bars (known as The Shelf, The White Hart and The Dispensary) celebrate the history of the stadium and local area:

– The White Hart pays design homage to a local pub and the Club’s old ground, incorporating design references and visual impressions of the Club’s former home. Indeed, The Lane was also previously owned by Charrington’s Brewery

– The Dispensary takes its name from the old Tottenham and Edmonton Dispensary that was once a much-loved feature of the high street. Key elements have been used to influence the new bar design, with the salvaged frontage of the original dispensary placed proudly within the Tottenham Experience

– ‘The Shelf’ traditionally referred to the famous White Hart Lane East Stand, designed in 1934 by famed stadium architect Archibald Leitch. This new bar design takes inspiration from the stand’s structure and the metal and timber materials used, while bricks from the old stadium create a new wall display to celebrate the original iconic design

Liam Doyle, Associate and Project Lead at Jump Studios, said:

“Our intention from the outset has been to reflect the heritage and history of White Hart Lane, while at the same time incorporating the best elements drawn from a modern hospitality landscape – from the diversity and immediacy of street food markets to the energy and excitement of London’s vibrant club and bar scene.”

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Slightly off topic but who is the Joe in Joe’s? And who is the Kit in Kit’s. Can’t imagine Kit Symons did enough to be immortalised like that
 
jrb said:
If you think back, some of us on here had been telling the club for ‘years’ to put a bar in the dead space at the back of 115. :-) It was left as an empty void for years, storing items, etc. The club then put a couple of beer carts in there. Then the penny finally dropped and the club made the dead space into the bar. It’s now making a fortune for the club on a match day. And it’s a great bar and space enjoyed by the fans.

I appreciate the guys at City are clever people, talented, and good in their chosen field of work, but some times the club needs to listen to and to take notice of the fans, even from a forum like BM.
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I think they came on the BM Forum one day to look at the thoughts of city fans, sadly they went straight to the matchday forum, read some of the posts & decided never to come back. :-)
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Slightly off topic but who is the Joe in Joe’s? And who is the Kit in Kit’s. Can’t imagine Kit Symons did enough to be immortalised like that
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You'll catch a few with questions like that.

Joe Fagan is the first of course and kits in in tribute & recognition of Chappy.

You really must try 'arder !!
 
LEXSTARproject said:
Well done @Didsbury Dave @trevorriley, well spoken about the North Stand @jrb @Manchester33

@HelloCity this is what I have been working on and sending private messages about to try and get people to go on the podcast

For the Ian Cheeseman podcast

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Firstly.

Well done Lexstar for contacting Ian Cheeseman.

Secondly.

Well done to Trev, Didsbury Dave and the other podcast panel for expressing the their views and opinions on the proposed hospitality section at the front of NSL2.

You all made it clear to (Khalddon) Ferran Soriano, Danny Wilson, the other City Directors, and the people at the club who are involved in the North stand expansion that there isn’t a place for a hospitality section at the front of NSL2.

If the above people at City weren’t aware of that, which I’m sure they where, they certainly are now, as all of you on the Podcast echoed what the overwhelming majority of City fans want, which is a proper City home end full of City fans who want to sing, want to create an atmosphere, and want to support the team throughout the match, which ‘Pep has constantly asked for’.

It’s now up to Ferran Soriano, Danny Wilson, etc, to all sit down, to discuss the views, opinions and wishes of the fans, and to make the correct decision to remove the proposed hospitality section at the front of NSL2.(and instead increase the size of other current hospitality sections inside the ground)
 
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All 100% of the fans who will go into NSL2 need is beer. Don’t need anything posh but just build a MASSIVE bar on the concourse, get some decent beer on for a change and get the music pumping.
 
JOGAMIGMOG said:
All 100% of the fans who will go into NSL2 need is beer. Don’t need anything posh but just build a MASSIVE bar on the concourse, get some decent beer on for a change and get the music pumping.
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I appreciate your logic, but it isn’t quite as simple as that, trust me. :-/
 
JOGAMIGMOG said:
All 100% of the fans who will go into NSL2 need is beer. Don’t need anything posh but just build a MASSIVE bar on the concourse, get some decent beer on for a change and get the music pumping.
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They’ve done that on level 1 it’s called City Hall, will serve inside the stand & City square on the outside. Will also convert to several other concepts on non match days, I wonder if L2 will have internal access ? There’s not a lot of room up top for anything substantial, but they can obviously do something decent with what they do have (hopefully) and it’s not just an after thought job, given we’ll have City Hall, the sky bar & suites at the top and the area similar to Joes on L2
 
Jesus H Gabz said:
They’ve done that on level 1 it’s called City Hall, will serve inside the stand & City square on the outside. Will also convert to several other concepts on non match days, I wonder if L2 will have internal access ? There’s not a lot of room up top for anything substantial, but they can obviously do something decent with what they do have (hopefully) and it’s not just an after thought job, given we’ll have City Hall, the sky bar & suites at the top and the area similar to Joes on L2
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Not necessarily a bad thing that. I think I’d prefer to be in a position where the concourses in NSL2 are small and have nothing going on so nobody wants to spend time there. This would mean that the stands are full well before kick off because being in the stand the best place to be and there’s no leaving early at half time and coming back late after half time, which dilutes the atmosphere massively.
 
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Psychedelic Casual said:
Not necessarily a bad thing that. I think I’d prefer to be in a position where the concourses in NSL2 are small and have nothing going on so nobody wants to spend time there. This would mean that the stands are full well before kick off because being in the stand the best place to be and there’s no leaving early at half time and coming back late after half time, which dilutes the atmosphere massively.
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On Saturday I got back to my seat at the start of the 2nd half as my mate from Leeds wanted to see the kick off.

Normally I’d be finishing my pint off in the new bar at the back of 115. I’m not fast drinker.

I met my mate at the back of 119 at the end of the 1st half. His seat was in 119. We drank our beers on the concourse at the back of 119.

As we went back to 115, I passed the new bar at the back of 115 and it was absolutely rammed, with kick off seconds away.

I’m not complaining and being hypocrite, as I’ve missed quite a few 2nd half kick offs this seasons when I’ve been in the new bar finishing my pint off.

Your point is spot on. The new bar area at the back of 115 does make more fans go back to their seats later.

On the flip side, it’s a really good bar, with plenty of space, seating, including the terraces in both corners, some decent Mancunian tracks from the DJ.(he does need to play some different tracks every now and again), the service is quick, and the beer is decent, etc. It really isn’t a surprise that it’s been a huge success.

If City Hall, on a much bigger scale is going to be similar, it will be a huge success. On the flip side you’ll have 100’s, maybe even 1000’s of fans getting to their seats after the game has started in both halfs.
 
JOGAMIGMOG said:
All 100% of the fans who will go into NSL2 need is beer. Don’t need anything posh but just build a MASSIVE bar on the concourse, get some decent beer on for a change and get the music pumping.
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A double-sided Goal Line Bar is what is needed as I said above to get rid of the hospitality section that they have planned for the 643 seats GA+ and then install this, the double-sided goal line bar could serve City Hall and the bottom half of the newly expanded North Stand access from City Hall to the new double-sided goal line bar could be accessed via staircases that link up to a mezzanine floor, please look at this drawing L00 this is City Hall then look at L01 which highlighted in purple(VIP) just like what Spurs have done below

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Instead of four staircases like what Spurs have you could have two in the corners of City Hall, as you can see from the drawings, no way are two bars be able to serve 1800 people on a match day, have a double-sided goal line bar would help massively with match days and also when they are using the City Hall for events as noted in the planning application.

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Going through the planning documents managed to get this to zoom right in on this , looks like Excel House is gone , dont know what 2,3 or 4 are , the replacement for Excel House could be another hotel ?

In picture 3 you can see the blacked out buildings that seem to take shape of what is pictured in picture 1

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On Saturday I got back to my seat at the start of the 2nd half as my mate from Leeds wanted to see the kick off.

Normally I’d be finishing my pint off in the new bar at the back of 115. I’m not fast drinker.

I met my mate at the back of 119 at the end of the 1st half. His seat was in 119. We drank our beers on the concourse at the back of 119.

As we went back to 115, I passed the new bar at the back of 115 and it was absolutely rammed, with kick off seconds away.

I’m not complaining and being hypocrite, as I’ve missed quite a few 2nd half kick offs this seasons when I’ve been in the new bar finishing my pint off.

Your point is spot on. The new bar area at the back of 115 does make more fans go back to their seats later.

On the flip side, it’s a really good bar, with plenty of space, seating, including the terraces in both corners, some decent Mancunian tracks from the DJ.(he does need to play some different tracks every now and again), the service is quick, and the beer is decent, etc. It really isn’t a surprise that it’s been a huge success.

If City Hall, on a much bigger scale is going to be similar, it will be a huge success. On the flip side you’ll have 100’s, maybe even 1000’s of fans getting to their seats after the game has started in both halfs.
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well observed JRB, when the new bar was built with the theory that fans would be drawn in to the stadium early and be in seats quickly i said straight away this wont be as it is.

fans now run out of the stands on 37mins before half time to get a pint and they dont come back in well in to the first half, i passed you JRB with some banners after second half kicked off, it was full in the bar !

It is dangerous at times when the club thinks and doesnt listen first, we work our arses off to get fans in then they build a lovely bar fit for deansgate which keeps fans away from the terraces.

This is a massive concern with the north stand, again they will try everything and fail at most, the powers that be need to listen.

And for the hell of me i will never understand why a fan wants to miss 15 or 20 mins of a game to drink booze.
 
trevorriley said:
well observed JRB, when the new bar was built with the theory that fans would be drawn in to the stadium early and be in seats quickly i said straight away this wont be as it is.

fans now run out of the stands on 37mins before half time to get a pint and they dont come back in well in to the first half, i passed you JRB with some banners after second half kicked off, it was full in the bar !

It is dangerous at times when the club thinks and doesnt listen first, we work our arses off to get fans in then they build a lovely bar fit for deansgate which keeps fans away from the terraces.

This is a massive concern with the north stand, again they will try everything and fail at most, the powers that be need to listen.

And for the hell of me i will never understand why a fan wants to miss 15 or 20 mins of a game to drink booze.
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I'd refuse to open the bars before the start of the game and at the half time whistle and then close it again when they come out for the second half and not open until full time. Then again I don't see an event of any kind as an opportunity to just get pissed.
 
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