North Stand Construction Discussion

Jesus H Gabz said:
About 14k, less than spurs which fans out more, same as the stretford end, about 1k more than Evertons new stand at BM and more than the kop
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We'll have about 10k in the 2nd tier itself I reckon. Will be so much better to get songs going, under the roof and spreading around. It's already loud and that's with a couple of blocks of 1-2,000 people starting things in different areas. Having a whole stand giving it will be epic, and it looks like a perfect acoustic design to get the noise down to the pitch and around the ground.

Considering our home record, especially for big nights, good luck when that's built! And beyond that you'll have the side stands expanded by another 10,000 or so each. We'll be dominating for a long time yet!
 
jrb said:
Just to put investment in new hotels into perspective, and the on-going demand for hotel rooms in Manchester, which will only increase with the new arena, etc.

Lamington Group’s proposals would see a long-neglected site located close to Manchester Piccadilly station redeveloped into a 31-storey hotel.

The 251-bedroom hotel, to be operated by Room2, is aiming to be the “best reviewed hotel in the UK and the country’s first net zero tower”, according to a design statement by architect Bennetts Associates.

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www.placenorthwest.co.uk

Piccadilly hotel to be ‘UK’s first net zero tower’ - Place North West

Lamington Group’s proposals would see a long-neglected site located close to Manchester Piccadilly station redeveloped into a 31-storey hotel.
www.placenorthwest.co.uk www.placenorthwest.co.uk
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That’s the plot next to the Waldorf pub. I was wondering what was happening to that as I recall a Japanese hotel group were originally gonna build on it.
 
supercity88 said:
We'll have about 10k in the 2nd tier itself I reckon. Will be so much better to get songs going, under the roof and spreading around. It's already loud and that's with a couple of blocks of 1-2,000 people starting things in different areas. Having a whole stand giving it will be epic, and it looks like a perfect acoustic design to get the noise down to the pitch and around the ground.

Considering our home record, especially for big nights, good luck when that's built! And beyond that you'll have the side stands expanded by another 10,000 or so each. We'll be dominating for a long time yet!
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Will be a hell of a roar for the first big game in there, has the potential to unite the stadium, sound will travel down both flanks & join up with the south stand for the big numbers/classics. Big game atmospheres are already incredible at the Etihad, but a little scatty in terms of ‘One voice’. I’ve just switched seats to 132 in the corner, with an eye on getting in there when it’s done (can’t wait!) I always say momentum is massive in football, and right now it’s with us, if we maintain these levels for the next two seasons, and match it off the pitch, well let’s just say it’s a scary prospect for the rest of football
 
had the north stand expansion been one tier only and majority safes stand rather than preference to corporate it would unite the stadium together more and make a massive difference. I fully understand the reasons why it had to be two tier and accept that.

Therefore we have a two tier stand... Had we have had safestand lower tier and possible upper tier, priority to atmosphere rather than corporate then there was a good chance that if a lot of fans move into the new area we could unite the stadium in singing.

But from the clubs released designs where it tries to please bits for everybody but doesnt please anybody, it wont make much difference ! It will be the same as what we have with to many separate singers for the noise to carry round the whole stadium.

Unless the design changes and the club works with fans requests, the new stand will look excellent and make the stadium one hell of a place. Obviously an extra 7,000 fans will sound good when we score.

This season the South stand has come on leaps and bounds atmosphere wise, a lot more non singers have now gone and the singers plus youthful fans have come in. This is plain to see. So I for one and many other singers wont be moving from where we are in the south stand as it is pointless.
 
trevorriley said:
had the north stand expansion been one tier only and majority safes stand rather than preference to corporate it would unite the stadium together more and make a massive difference. I fully understand the reasons why it had to be two tier and accept that.

Therefore we have a two tier stand... Had we have had safestand lower tier and possible upper tier, priority to atmosphere rather than corporate then there was a good chance that if a lot of fans move into the new area we could unite the stadium in singing.

But from the clubs released designs where it tries to please bits for everybody but doesnt please anybody, it wont make much difference ! It will be the same as what we have with to many separate singers for the noise to carry round the whole stadium.

Unless the design changes and the club works with fans requests, the new stand will look excellent and make the stadium one hell of a place. Obviously an extra 7,000 fans will sound good when we score.

This season the South stand has come on leaps and bounds atmosphere wise, a lot more non singers have now gone and the singers plus youthful fans have come in. This is plain to see. So I for one and many other singers wont be moving from where we are in the south stand as it is pointless.
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I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said and the clubs absolutely have to remove the corporate seating at the front of the stand for it to work.

I agree that the south stand has been good, but I think it’s as good as it gets. 10,000 people all stood to together in a proper home end would eclipse all the atmosphere ss1 in particular has created this season in my opinion

Thinking long term ss1 is not big enough and there’s no potential to grow it or really improve the atmosphere there.

It’s all about having a proper home end with all of our singers in one place.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
I agree with pretty much everything you’ve said and the clubs absolutely have to remove the corporate seating at the front of the stand for it to work.

I agree that the south stand has been good, but I think it’s as good as it gets. 10,000 people all stood to together in a proper home end would eclipse all the atmosphere ss1 in particular has created this season in my opinion

Thinking long term ss1 is not big enough and there’s no potential to grow it or really improve the atmosphere there.

It’s all about having a proper home end with all of our singers in one place.
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yes i agree, the lower SS isnt big enough really for what we would like to grow it to, i dont think it is the right shape or size to spread to the whole stadium.

fingers crossed meetings are held and plans are changed.
 
jrb said:
Just to put investment in new hotels into perspective, and the on-going demand for hotel rooms in Manchester, which will only increase with the new arena, etc.

Lamington Group’s proposals would see a long-neglected site located close to Manchester Piccadilly station redeveloped into a 31-storey hotel.

The 251-bedroom hotel, to be operated by Room2, is aiming to be the “best reviewed hotel in the UK and the country’s first net zero tower”, according to a design statement by architect Bennetts Associates.

View attachment 79706

www.placenorthwest.co.uk

Piccadilly hotel to be ‘UK’s first net zero tower’ - Place North West

Lamington Group’s proposals would see a long-neglected site located close to Manchester Piccadilly station redeveloped into a 31-storey hotel.
www.placenorthwest.co.uk www.placenorthwest.co.uk
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this going to be next to the waldorf?
 
trevorriley said:
yes i agree, the lower SS isnt big enough really for what we would like to grow it to, i dont think it is the right shape or size to spread to the whole stadium.

fingers crossed meetings are held and plans are changed.
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The stand doesn’t get built without Corporate sections.

Any future meetings won’t change that.
 
trevorriley said:
had the north stand expansion been one tier only and majority safes stand rather than preference to corporate it would unite the stadium together more and make a massive difference. I fully understand the reasons why it had to be two tier and accept that.

Therefore we have a two tier stand... Had we have had safestand lower tier and possible upper tier, priority to atmosphere rather than corporate then there was a good chance that if a lot of fans move into the new area we could unite the stadium in singing.

But from the clubs released designs where it tries to please bits for everybody but doesnt please anybody, it wont make much difference ! It will be the same as what we have with to many separate singers for the noise to carry round the whole stadium.

Unless the design changes and the club works with fans requests, the new stand will look excellent and make the stadium one hell of a place. Obviously an extra 7,000 fans will sound good when we score.

This season the South stand has come on leaps and bounds atmosphere wise, a lot more non singers have now gone and the singers plus youthful fans have come in. This is plain to see. So I for one and many other singers wont be moving from where we are in the south stand as it is pointless.
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Absolute nonsense.

Around 10,000 safe standing places (I've no doubt that will be announced long before it's actually open) with just a few rows (3 is it?) at the front and you think that means they're prioritising corporate? For starters it's not corporate as said over and over, they're premium seats.
 
Centurions said:
Absolute nonsense.

Around 10,000 safe standing places (I've no doubt that will be announced long before it's actually open) with just a few rows (3 is it?) at the front and you think that means they're prioritising corporate? For starters it's not corporate as said over and over, they're premium seats.
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Safe standing isn’t confirmed for either tier yet. If they announce the 2nd tier will be safe standing then that will of course be a huge positive. Current indications are though that they don’t see the 2nd tier as the atmosphere area.
 
Centurions said:
Absolute nonsense.

Around 10,000 safe standing places (I've no doubt that will be announced long before it's actually open) with just a few rows (3 is it?) at the front and you think that means they're prioritising corporate? For starters it's not corporate as said over and over, they're premium seats.
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It's 600 seats so a fair number, but surrounded by 9,000 hardcore it's not too bad. If they're kept to being season ticket plus seats with their own bar and great location then it shouldn't be too much of a problem.

I don't imagine it will be like the 2nd tier at Wembley when everyone comes out late and leaves early to get their caviar and champagne.

They need to make a return on the investment but that's going to come from the wider football uses and improved City square. Creating a proper home end should get people to the ground earlier to start drinking/singing and the wider attractions in the area will help.
 
HelloCity said:
Safe standing isn’t confirmed for either tier yet. If they announce the 2nd tier will be safe standing then that will of course be a huge positive. Current indications are though that they don’t see the 2nd tier as the atmosphere area.
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How have you worked that out? They've stated in the application it would be capable of supporting safe standing. They've just not confirmed that at this stage. There's no way they'd stick a 10,000 seater 2nd tier in and not look to have it as the atmosphere area.

Pep's talked about our fans more than ever this season. Even in his speech on Saturday he thanked the away fans. The players celebrated for a very long time with the South Stand, more than they did with any other part of the ground. I'm sure Khaldoon is aware of how much a boost it is having vocal support home and away. It doesn't take a genius to work out what the current issues are. You've got isolated areas in the SSL1, a bit in SSL3 and in the kippax corner all trying to generate an atmosphere. They do a great job, but not as good as if they were all together under a roof in NSL2.
 
supercity88 said:
How have you worked that out? They've stated in the application it would be capable of supporting safe standing. They've just not confirmed that at this stage. There's no way they'd stick a 10,000 seater 2nd tier in and not look to have it as the atmosphere area.

Pep's talked about our fans more than ever this season. Even in his speech on Saturday he thanked the away fans. The players celebrated for a very long time with the South Stand, more than they did with any other part of the ground. I'm sure Khaldoon is aware of how much a boost it is having vocal support home and away. It doesn't take a genius to work out what the current issues are. You've got isolated areas in the SSL1, a bit in SSL3 and in the kippax corner all trying to generate an atmosphere. They do a great job, but not as good as if they were all together under a roof in NSL2.
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By going off the facts. It’s literally a factual statement.

People would have said ‘there’s no way there will be hospitality seats at the front of our singing end’ just a few months back. We can’t just presume it will be safe standing, we have to push for it to assure that it is.
 
When is the completion date looking like? And I would assume this would give Citizen members, without a ST, the chance to get one?

I'm hoping for this year but doubt I'll have the points to secure one, but let's see.
 
Coatigan said:
I think he meant your last line. Which is conjecture, not fact.

It is also a fact that the stand allows for safe standing in the future, as part of the current planning approval.
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Fair enough. If they don’t make it safe standing and there’s hospitality at the front, then the South Stand crew might as well stay where they are. The fans will need to apply pressure to get it right, which to be fair, looks like is happening.
 
jordblue said:
When is the completion date looking like? And I would assume this would give Citizen members, without a ST, the chance to get one?

I'm hoping for this year but doubt I'll have the points to secure one, but let's see.
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August 2025 for the stand/terrace with the other works completed a year or so later in 2026.
 
HelloCity said:
By going off the facts. It’s literally a factual statement.

People would have said ‘there’s no way there will be hospitality seats at the front of our singing end’ just a few months back. We can’t just presume it will be safe standing, we have to push for it to assure that it is.
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Your point on safe standing is a fact. That's not the bit that I was questioning. That doesn't require planning permission so can happen outside of this process.

I was querying why you thought, based on these proposals, the club don't see the 2nd tier as the atmosphere area. It's an extended tier capable of holding a hell of a lot of people and is something most fans have been asking for in terms of a way of improving the atmosphere.

Yes there's revenue at the heart of these proposals, but the club could have stuck a third tier on top and had all of the 2nd tier as hospitality if it wanted to. Instead they've looked to provide a home end.
 
supercity88 said:
Your point on safe standing is a fact. That's not the bit that I was questioning. That doesn't require planning permission so can happen outside of this process.

I was querying why you thought, based on these proposals, the club don't see the 2nd tier as the atmosphere area. It's an extended tier capable of holding a hell of a lot of people and is something most fans have been asking for in terms of a way of improving the atmosphere.

Yes there's revenue at the heart of these proposals, but the club could have stuck a third tier on top and had all of the 2nd tier as hospitality if it wanted to. Instead they've looked to provide a home end.
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What's due to happen with the lower level, staying as family?
 
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