North Stand Construction Discussion

jrb said:
Call me a cynic. Call me what you want.

I did notice this.

The new commercial offering of the expanded North stand.

‘Fans will have the opportunity to extend their match-day by joining us at the new covered fan-zone, visiting the museum, or staying at the hotel’.

No mention of a proper home end for City fans that will generate a better atmosphere.
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Not sure what your issue is with corporate.

The club are building this to make sure we have income 365 days a year.

6000 extra seats, what more do you want?
 
jrb said:
It’s not just about the commercial offering highlighted in the article. First and foremost from the feedback from various fan consultations, the fans wanted a proper and vocal home end. We’re still waiting to hear something about that from the club. That wasn’t mentioned in the video or in the article. However, I’m sure some of our fans who haven’t followed the North stand redevelopment and subsequent discussions about it are happy to read about the fanzone, the museum and, especially the hotel, which most of us already know about. Maybe the next article will focus on the North stand itself and what the plans are for that now the commercial elements of the North stand redevelopment have been highlighted in this article?
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That Danny boy missed a PR open goal there, not throwing in a line about it being a 'proper home end' or 'fan focused'. Or other such buzzwords that could excite people.

But maybe if he had people would still have been sceptical and argued it was hollow because 8% of the stand will have padded seats, or ticket prices are not known etc.

Maybe he thought including Kevin Parker in the video was enough of a token gesture to show fans and fan groups were 'at the heart' of this.

All that said, it is just a media release this. It is words for articles, and interested parties to see in the press and on the club website. Nothing he could have said or not said particularly changes what is proposed or being built.

And I think that itself, from what you and others have shared here and discussed mostly has real intent. And has been largely focused around atmosphere, acoustics, displays, gathering space, etc. (With additional commercial offerings too with the hotel, museum, offices VIP etc.)

For example. We have just had pages of discussion on the sructural acrobatics of removing the existing stays and roof transfer reconfigureing. The main purpose of that, isn't to incur cost or make it complicated to build.

It is to change it from a 3 tier stand to a 2 tier stand, the only part of the whole stadium where this happens and previously claimed almost impossible. And to push the line of the stadium back (which the backstays are in the way of) for a deeper stand with a higher roof angle at the back, that would amplifynthe noise.

Which is all to improve the atmosphere, visual impact of the crowd and the noise. That to me says more than anything Danny Wilson or even Kaldoon himself can say in words.

There is imo no way the club, the design team and the contractors would be going to THAT much effort, fundamentally altering the structure of the stand rather than simply replicating the south stand arrangement, if they were not trying to make this a vastly improved home end. Plus all the other additional bits, for hanging displays, focusing noise down, in-built option to convert to safe standing etc.

And while the hotel and office block are great commercial additions to the club, let's be honest, there is plenty of ground where they could have been built nore efficiently and simpler without attaching to the stand. But then they wouldn't form two sides of a covered enclosed large gathering fan space / city square right outside the stand. And so on.

Secondary to all that of course, there are details on allocation, relocation, ticket prices and other logistics you rightly raise, that will be needed to make it work the best it can. And those will come out at some point closer to the time. I doubt that with so much work and finance committed to it as above, the club then let the bed be shat with basic logistics of operating it. But who knows, time will tell.
 
My thoughts on the expanded NS are that it is not going to be offering thousands of cheap SCs like SS3. I've been in SS3 since it opened and I love it but it was and still is the cheap option. The concourse and facilities are as basic as they come but pricing is excellent.

The expanded NS is an entirely different kettle of fish. It is level 2 for starters (albeit a very big one) and it will be constructed to a far higher standard than SS3 with facilities to match. It will tie in with the new bars, food outlets, covered City Square etc and it will be nothing like SS3. On that basis I can't see it being safe standing or offering £425 SCs at the back but instead it will be an upper mid range option.
 
Man-chester copperpot said:
Jesus, how many advertisments does M.E.N need?
Makes it hard to read - you end up pressing on one of the many many adverts and diverting off the page.
Thanks for your post though - very interesting
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The MuEN web site is utter shite, does anybody actually use it regularly. Blue Moon is the go-to site for all things City.

Rick deserves enormous credit for how well it operates.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
My thoughts on the expanded NS are that it is not going to be offering thousands of cheap SCs like SS3. I've been in SS3 since it opened and I love it but it was and still is the cheap option. The concourse and facilities are as basic as they come but pricing is excellent.

The expanded NS is an entirely different kettle of fish. It is level 2 for starters (albeit a very big one) and it will be constructed to a far higher standard than SS3 with facilities to match. It will tie in with the new bars, food outlets, covered City Square etc and it will be nothing like SS3. On that basis I can't see it being safe standing or offering £425 SCs at the back but instead it will be an upper mid range option.
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I will certainly consider moving there if given the option, much closer to the Metrolink from where I am now in block 211.
 
Coatigan said:
That Danny boy missed a PR open goal there, not throwing in a line about it being a 'proper home end' or 'fan focused'. Or other such buzzwords that could excite people.

But maybe if he had people would still have been sceptical and argued it was hollow because 8% of the stand will have padded seats, or ticket prices are not known etc.

Maybe he thought including Kevin Parker in the video was enough of a token gesture to show fans and fan groups were 'at the heart' of this.

All that said, it is just a media release this. It is words for articles, and interested parties to see in the press and on the club website. Nothing he could have said or not said particularly changes what is proposed or being built.

And I think that itself, from what you and others have shared here and discussed mostly has real intent. And has been largely focused around atmosphere, acoustics, displays, gathering space, etc. (With additional commercial offerings too with the hotel, museum, offices VIP etc.)

For example. We have just had pages of discussion on the sructural acrobatics of removing the existing stays and roof transfer reconfigureing. The main purpose of that, isn't to incur cost or make it complicated to build.

It is to change it from a 3 tier stand to a 2 tier stand, the only part of the whole stadium where this happens and previously claimed almost impossible. And to push the line of the stadium back (which the backstays are in the way of) for a deeper stand with a higher roof angle at the back, that would amplifynthe noise.

Which is all to improve the atmosphere, visual impact of the crowd and the noise. That to me says more than anything Danny Wilson or even Kaldoon himself can say in words.

There is imo no way the club, the design team and the contractors would be going to THAT much effort, fundamentally altering the structure of the stand rather than simply replicating the south stand arrangement, if they were not trying to make this a vastly improved home end. Plus all the other additional bits, for hanging displays, focusing noise down, in-built option to convert to safe standing etc.

And while the hotel and office block are great commercial additions to the club, let's be honest, there is plenty of ground where they could have been built nore efficiently and simpler without attaching to the stand. But then they wouldn't form two sides of a covered enclosed large gathering fan space / city square right outside the stand. And so on.

Secondary to all that of course, there are details on allocation, relocation, ticket prices and other logistics you rightly raise, that will be needed to make it work the best it can. And those will come out at some point closer to the time. I doubt that with so much work and finance committed to it as above, the club then let the bed be shat with basic logistics of operating it. But who knows, time will tell.
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Excellent post.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
My thoughts on the expanded NS are that it is not going to be offering thousands of cheap SCs like SS3. I've been in SS3 since it opened and I love it but it was and still is the cheap option. The concourse and facilities are as basic as they come but pricing is excellent.

The expanded NS is an entirely different kettle of fish. It is level 2 for starters (albeit a very big one) and it will be constructed to a far higher standard than SS3 with facilities to match. It will tie in with the new bars, food outlets, covered City Square etc and it will be nothing like SS3. On that basis I can't see it being safe standing or offering £425 SCs at the back but instead it will be an upper mid range option.
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The cheap seats will be expanded in SSL3, I agree that North Stand won’t be cheap as it’ll be the place to be.
 
On the cablenet and complexities around that I would suggest those interested have a look at application CDN/23/0721 and the "CMP and Method Statement" document if you haven't already. Takes you through the programme and logistics and pages 23-25 cover the roof. I've read it several times and I'm still struggling!

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This is job one. It's a temporary support to the existing roof enabling them to remove the backstays and then construct the new concrete structure.
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They clamp onto the temporary support and monitor the load at all times to ensure it works as calculated.

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The existing roof is propped (shown in red) enabling them to remove the rear section (shown in green).
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Cladding to the existing North Stand roof will be stripped between unbraced roof rafters (in a hit and miss fashion shown as the red panels on Diagram 7J) as soon as there is weather protection from the new roof above.

The existing roof rafters will be removed in braced pairs as soon as the 2024 / 2025 season finishes. Mobile cranes, standing on a membrane to protect the football pitch, will rotate each pair of rafters down around the pin connection at the base of the rear V column support. Once the rafter tips are touching the ground a larger crane will be deployed to lift out braced pairs and lay down on the pitch protection for dismantling and removal from site.
 
jrb said:
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Stand corrected on this.

That is the last row of seating at the back that backs on to the back of NSL2? Set back and slightly above the seats will be the hotel room terraces overlooking NSL2. Above NSL2 and hotel room terraces will be the floating 3rd tier with the restaurant inside the NS. The NS roof is above that.

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Compare the height of the current steel structure, including the seat rows, to the current NS roof opposite. Massive!

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wow that's crazy quick. From nothing to this in a few weeks
 
supercity88 said:
On the cablenet and complexities around that I would suggest those interested have a look at application CDN/23/0721 and the "CMP and Method Statement" document if you haven't already. Takes you through the programme and logistics and pages 23-25 cover the roof. I've read it several times and I'm still struggling!

View attachment 114992


This is job one. It's a temporary support to the existing roof enabling them to remove the backstays and then construct the new concrete structure.
View attachment 114993
They clamp onto the temporary support and monitor the load at all times to ensure it works as calculated.

View attachment 114994

The existing roof is propped (shown in red) enabling them to remove the rear section (shown in green).
View attachment 114995

Cladding to the existing North Stand roof will be stripped between unbraced roof rafters (in a hit and miss fashion shown as the red panels on Diagram 7J) as soon as there is weather protection from the new roof above.

The existing roof rafters will be removed in braced pairs as soon as the 2024 / 2025 season finishes. Mobile cranes, standing on a membrane to protect the football pitch, will rotate each pair of rafters down around the pin connection at the base of the rear V column support. Once the rafter tips are touching the ground a larger crane will be deployed to lift out braced pairs and lay down on the pitch protection for dismantling and removal from site.
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Excellent. Thank you.

Sounds like the temporary load transfer for the cable net is a big job as expected.

The bit about removing the back of the current roof and propping the rest up was also done with the South Stand.

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supercity88 said:
On the cablenet and complexities around that I would suggest those interested have a look at application CDN/23/0721 and the "CMP and Method Statement" document if you haven't already. Takes you through the programme and logistics and pages 23-25 cover the roof. I've read it several times and I'm still struggling!

View attachment 114992


This is job one. It's a temporary support to the existing roof enabling them to remove the backstays and then construct the new concrete structure.
View attachment 114993
They clamp onto the temporary support and monitor the load at all times to ensure it works as calculated.

View attachment 114994

The existing roof is propped (shown in red) enabling them to remove the rear section (shown in green).
View attachment 114995

Cladding to the existing North Stand roof will be stripped between unbraced roof rafters (in a hit and miss fashion shown as the red panels on Diagram 7J) as soon as there is weather protection from the new roof above.

The existing roof rafters will be removed in braced pairs as soon as the 2024 / 2025 season finishes. Mobile cranes, standing on a membrane to protect the football pitch, will rotate each pair of rafters down around the pin connection at the base of the rear V column support. Once the rafter tips are touching the ground a larger crane will be deployed to lift out braced pairs and lay down on the pitch protection for dismantling and removal from site.
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That’s fantastic information, thank you
 
supercity88 said:
On the cablenet and complexities around that I would suggest those interested have a look at application CDN/23/0721 and the "CMP and Method Statement" document if you haven't already. Takes you through the programme and logistics and pages 23-25 cover the roof. I've read it several times and I'm still struggling!

View attachment 114992


This is job one. It's a temporary support to the existing roof enabling them to remove the backstays and then construct the new concrete structure.
View attachment 114993
They clamp onto the temporary support and monitor the load at all times to ensure it works as calculated.

View attachment 114994

The existing roof is propped (shown in red) enabling them to remove the rear section (shown in green).
View attachment 114995

Cladding to the existing North Stand roof will be stripped between unbraced roof rafters (in a hit and miss fashion shown as the red panels on Diagram 7J) as soon as there is weather protection from the new roof above.

The existing roof rafters will be removed in braced pairs as soon as the 2024 / 2025 season finishes. Mobile cranes, standing on a membrane to protect the football pitch, will rotate each pair of rafters down around the pin connection at the base of the rear V column support. Once the rafter tips are touching the ground a larger crane will be deployed to lift out braced pairs and lay down on the pitch protection for dismantling and removal from site.
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Brilliant find pal. That'll be good to read through, but very on topic to the discussions on here.
 
Rammy Blue said:
The cheap seats will be expanded in SSL3, I agree that North Stand won’t be cheap as it’ll be the place to be.
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If they get this right (which they won't) they should make this new end the cheapest part of the stadium but make it accesible to long serving and vocal fans. They could even sell the season tickets on a points basis. They could address so many issues at once. Atmosphere and ticket price unrest. The two are almost hand-in-hand because it's the working class fans who make the noise and who are the most disillusioned. Also the PR would be superb: club of the people and all that.

What an opportunity they have. They blew it once with the south stand extension and I bet they blow this one again.
 
Anyone else think we are gonna be charged to enter the 3000 capacity fan zone ? Maybe a one off payment or even match to match. I’ve just got a feeling it isn’t gonna be a free for all, they may even tie it into facilities at the coop, throw in a drink & programme. What got me thinking was the 3000 capacity is constantly used in descriptions & ticketmaster are selling access tickets to concert goers for early entry, a drink, vip bar before & after, for £35!
 
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