North Stand Construction Discussion

Manchester33 said:
How can you say it’s ‘normal’ fans? It’s not… it’s fans who can afford stupid prices for shite food and an extra comfy, padded seat.

‘Normal’ fans don’t spend that much. ‘Normal’ fans do not buy a hospitality season ticket.

We already have tons of ‘hospitality’ and they are the most sparsely attended areas of the stadium - hardly conducive to a good atmosphere!!
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While I applaud your fervor, I think you’re ignoring the realities of 2023, because this is not 1978, where you ran down to the wall and grabbed a Bovril off the lad walking around the cinder track at Maine Road.

The REVENUES the club makes are what drive the PRODUCT you see on the field, because FINANCIAL FAIR PLAY demands an accounting of both.

Yes, there are 25-30,000 HARD CORE City supporters who bleed Blue and who show up come rain or shine, Champions League or York Away. Many of them like a pie and pint, but many of them also get that elsewhere on the way to the ground. They have their Match Day rituals, as we all do, and it doesn’t include paying what they consider daft prices for anything, let alone beer and pies inside the ground.

However, with a 60,000 seat stadium, you are now opening yourself up to a greater proportion of day trippers, corporate clients, and big game attendees, and the Club wants to make the entire experience one that allows them to feel they got value for money! It’s not the “pay £50 extra and get a few butties and a drink,” but the well-heeled (even if only for the day) punter who wants the entire Etihad Experience.

That might not be you, or me, but it is becoming an increasingly important REVENUE PRODUCING CUSTOMER that enables us ALL to enjoy the best FOOTBALL PRODUCT POSSIBLE, without fighting it out in court every year.

As a 50+ year fan, I certainly appreciate City’s roots as a working class club built on working class foundations. However, today City attract money by trying to be an attractive proposition to people EVERYWHERE ON EARTH, not just the 10 mile radius around the dog shit strewn ginnel between the Kippax and the Platt Lane end!

We are witnessing the best players in the world performing in a world class stadium for a world class investor who saved us from the Knacker’s Yard. Yes, they still have to be true to the likes of you and me, but if that was the extent of the outreach required, we would be watching a very different club playing very different football with very different players.

IMHO, we can’t be such working class snobs that we look down our noses at the bounty that has been provided to, and for, us without realizing the work that goes into producing it. Nor do I think the owners take our “Golden Oldies” support for granted. Rather, I think they completely understand the DNA of the club and seek only to enhance it, broaden it, and extend its reach in order to make the business proposition that drove the initial investment worthwhile.

Again, just my humble opinion, but I think they been more successful than ANY OF US EVER DREAMED, especially those of us who lived through the ignominy of the last two decades of the last century!

Onwards and upwards, I say, and they have yet to make too many mistakes in my book.

Long may it last and I hope to enjoy the fruits of THEIR £300M INVESTMENT in the club I’ve loved for over half a century…even if that means I have to occasionally see a few day trippers wearing half and half scarves who didn’t have the “pleasure” of growing up in the shit strewn, poverty stricken streets of the towns and villages that created our traditional fan base. And, as they say around here, his money is not only as green as yours, but it spends just as easily!

The Future is Blue…embrace it…ALL OF IT!
 
blueparrot said:
They may not even be that well off they might just have £500/600 spare a year they choose to spend on premium seats. Money fans in other seats with the same income choose to spend on other stuff.
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£500/£600 will only cover a few games.

West Ham.

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Nothing left for Arsenal, Leeds or Chelsea.
 
Just to be clear.

I’m not saying there isn’t a need or demand for hospitality at City, because there is. That goes for any leisure sector, event and venue. It’s all about a successful product, and supply and demand. Currently City are all of that.
 
I have now had time to have quick look at the council's ongoing transport strategy for the Etihad Campus. This is a direct quote from the document.

The basis and underlying strategy for both the original stadium expansion consent and the Coop
Live scheme is that the overall level of car parking onsite would not be increased and that no
measures to increase highway capacity would be implemented so as to help promote alternative
more sustainable modes of transport to the Etihad Campus.

The main focus is to reduce car use but I can't find any effective replacement for cars. It seems heavily based on people walking from town but this is not easy for winter night matches. The main feelling I get from what I have seen so far is one of complacency. It claims there is already a good tram and bus service to and from the stadium but anyone who has attended a match will know that public transport provision after events is terrible. It even mentions Ashburys station which has one train an hour and no capacity for crowds. Have I missed something? Is anyone aware of any concrete proposals to sort out the chaos we have to endure at present? What is Andy Burnham doing about transport when he is not presenting the Pope with United shirts?
 
ChicagoBlue said:
While I applaud your fervor, I think you’re ignoring the realities of 2023, because this is not 1978, where you grabbed a Bovril off the lad walking around the confer track at Msind Road.

The REVENUES the club makes are what drive the PRODUCT you see on the field, because FINANCIAL FAIR PLAY demands an accounting of both.

Yes, there are 25-30,000 HARD CORE City supporters who bleed Blue and who show up come rain or shine, Champions League or York Away. Many of them like a pie and pint, but many of them also get that elsewhere on the way to the ground. They have their Match Day rituals, as we all do, and it doesn’t include paying what they consider daft prices for anything, let alone beer and pies inside the ground.

However, with a 60,000 seat stadium, you are now opening yourself up to a greater proportion of day trippers, corporate clients, and big game attendees, and the Club wants to make the entire experience one that allows them to feel they got value for money! It’s not the “pay £50 extra and get a few butties and a drink,” but the well-heeled (even if only for the day) punter who wants the entire Etihad Experience.

That might not be you, or me, but it is becoming an increasingly important REVENUE PRODUCING CUSTOMER that enables us ALL to enjoy the best FOOTBALL PRODUCT POSSIBLE, without fighting it out in court every year.

As a 50+ year fan, I certainly appreciate City’s roots as a working class club built on working class foundations. However, today City attract money by trying to be an attractive proposition to people EVERYWHERE ON EARTH, not just the 10 mile radius around the dog shit strewn ginnel between the Kippax and the Platt Lane end!

We are witnessing the best players in the world performing in a world class stadium for a world class investor who saved us from the Knacker’s Yard. Yes, they still have to be true to the likes of you and me, but if that was the extent of the outreach required, we would be watching a very different club playing very different football with very different players.

IMHO, we can’t be such working class snobs that we look down our noses at the bounty that has been provided to, and for, us without realizing the work that goes into producing it. Nor do I think the owners take our “Golden Oldies” support for granted. Rather, I think they completely understand the DNA of the club and seek only to enhance it, broaden it, and extend its reach in order to make the business proposition that drove the initial investment worthwhile.

Again, just my humble opinion, but I think they been more successful than ANY OF US EVER DREAMED, especially those of us who lived through the ignominy of the last two decades of the last century!

Onwards and upwards, I say, and they have yet to make too many mistakes in my book.

Long may it last and I hope to enjoy the fruits of THEIR £300M INVESTMENT in the club I’ve lived for over half a century…even if that means I have to see a few day trippers wearing half and half scarves who didn’t have the “pleasure” of growing up in the shit strewn, poverty stricken streets of the towns and villages that created our traditional fan base. And, as they say around here, his money is not only as green as yours, but it spends just as easily!
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Don’t think you understand the main point and maybe aren’t aware of the main logistics being discussed.

This stand is supposed to be a loud City end aimed at improving the atmosphere within the stadium. Hence why it’s two tiers instead of three, since it will allow more like minded fans to congregate together.

However, despite completely failing to mention this on the fan surveys the club are including hospitality at the very front of the new tier. This new section is where fans would stand to unfold banners and also the section will create a further buffer between the lower and upper sections to the point we might as well build another 3 tiered stand.

I’m not sure how often you’ve been to the Etihad but what’s currently unfolding will be no better than what we have. Of course, hospitality is needed but the club currently have it wrong as far as this new development is concerned.
 
jrb said:
£500/£600 will only cover a few games.

West Ham.

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Nothing left for Arsenal, Leeds or Chelsea.
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ChicagoBlue said:
While I applaud your fervor, I think you’re ignoring the realities of 2023, because this is not 1978, where you ran down to the wall and grabbed a Bovril off the lad walking around the cinder track at Maine Road.

The REVENUES the club makes are what drive the PRODUCT you see on the field, because FINANCIAL FAIR PLAY demands an accounting of both.

Yes, there are 25-30,000 HARD CORE City supporters who bleed Blue and who show up come rain or shine, Champions League or York Away. Many of them like a pie and pint, but many of them also get that elsewhere on the way to the ground. They have their Match Day rituals, as we all do, and it doesn’t include paying what they consider daft prices for anything, let alone beer and pies inside the ground.

However, with a 60,000 seat stadium, you are now opening yourself up to a greater proportion of day trippers, corporate clients, and big game attendees, and the Club wants to make the entire experience one that allows them to feel they got value for money! It’s not the “pay £50 extra and get a few butties and a drink,” but the well-heeled (even if only for the day) punter who wants the entire Etihad Experience.

That might not be you, or me, but it is becoming an increasingly important REVENUE PRODUCING CUSTOMER that enables us ALL to enjoy the best FOOTBALL PRODUCT POSSIBLE, without fighting it out in court every year.

As a 50+ year fan, I certainly appreciate City’s roots as a working class club built on working class foundations. However, today City attract money by trying to be an attractive proposition to people EVERYWHERE ON EARTH, not just the 10 mile radius around the dog shit strewn ginnel between the Kippax and the Platt Lane end!

We are witnessing the best players in the world performing in a world class stadium for a world class investor who saved us from the Knacker’s Yard. Yes, they still have to be true to the likes of you and me, but if that was the extent of the outreach required, we would be watching a very different club playing very different football with very different players.

IMHO, we can’t be such working class snobs that we look down our noses at the bounty that has been provided to, and for, us without realizing the work that goes into producing it. Nor do I think the owners take our “Golden Oldies” support for granted. Rather, I think they completely understand the DNA of the club and seek only to enhance it, broaden it, and extend its reach in order to make the business proposition that drove the initial investment worthwhile.

Again, just my humble opinion, but I think they been more successful than ANY OF US EVER DREAMED, especially those of us who lived through the ignominy of the last two decades of the last century!

Onwards and upwards, I say, and they have yet to make too many mistakes in my book.

Long may it last and I hope to enjoy the fruits of THEIR £300M INVESTMENT in the club I’ve loved for over half a century…even if that means I have to occasionally see a few day trippers wearing half and half scarves who didn’t have the “pleasure” of growing up in the shit strewn, poverty stricken streets of the towns and villages that created our traditional fan base. And, as they say around here, his money is not only as green as yours, but it spends just as easily!

The Future is Blue…embrace it…ALL OF IT!
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What a post, bang on mate
 
bobbyowenquiff said:
I have now had time to have quick look at the council's ongoing transport strategy for the Etihad Campus. This is a direct quote from the document.

The basis and underlying strategy for both the original stadium expansion consent and the Coop
Live scheme is that the overall level of car parking onsite would not be increased and that no
measures to increase highway capacity would be implemented so as to help promote alternative
more sustainable modes of transport to the Etihad Campus.

The main focus is to reduce car use but I can't find any effective replacement for cars. It seems heavily based on people walking from town but this is not easy for winter night matches. The main feelling I get from what I have seen so far is one of complacency. It claims there is already a good tram and bus service to and from the stadium but anyone who has attended a match will know that public transport provision after events is terrible. It even mentions Ashburys station which has one train an hour and no capacity for crowds. Have I missed something? Is anyone aware of any concrete proposals to sort out the chaos we have to endure at present? What is Andy Burnham doing about transport when he is not presenting the Pope with United shirts?
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City will be trialing shuttle buses themselves over the coming months. Maybe electric ones to tie in with their eco-friendly push.

Glad they may have read my posts about having their own fleet of electric buses if this is what it might be?
 
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