North Stand Construction Discussion

Coatigan said:
Just to clarify at my end, I see the GA+ and 'hospitality' as pretry much the same thing and interchange the terms in my own posts, in both these areas.

And the way I read the club statements (and I've not seen anyone challenge that) is that the City Hall in its entirety will be for the 500 GA+ ticket holders.

I previously argued 'no way they would do that', and speculated on how 500 in an 1800 capacity space might work, be that through subdivision, dedicated booths/kiosks etc.

But both the statement and then the CGIs now really do very much look like it is the whole space taken up, by the 500 GA+/hospitality offering. For what I assume is circa 1000 dedicated seats the first tier.

The CGI's are all based on the same set layout of booths and tables, all the views show the same thing. And even a rough tally of that and what's left, does come out to around 500. And they don't focus on the access to it and the stairs to L2 for nothing btw.

And having consistently argued thinking the upper GA+ area shouldn't be an issue and was proportionate etc, and advocated waiting to see what tue club put forward for this space, I really am not 'moaning' here for the sake of being negative, that's for damn sure.

Obviously, it can all change back though, if there is no real demand for that offering there at that price.
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If true, that is really disappointing. That just leaves the concourses inside NSL2 for the GA fans. Outside the North stand there is the fan zone, but that isn’t a drinking area as such, with fans coming and going to the souvenir shop, the museum, etc.

What’s happened to the little hospitality room under the NSL2 tier shown in the PA? Is that still happening or has it been ditched, and replaced by the City Hall hospitality and the Cross Bar offerings? There is also the hotel restaurant above the 3rd floating tier, which is accessible form the restaurant.
 
HelloCity said:
Has the actual City Hall space been re-worked into something smaller?
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We don’t know.

We’re guessing and surmising it has been to accommodate City Hall hospitality and the Cross Bar.

City aren’t saying or showing.
 
Coatigan said:
See above. Argued this previously, but fairly convinced now that's exactly what they are doing. The statements are pretty clear, and the CGIs even clearer imo.
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You may well be right,I know little about it, but this image looks pretty full with at a rough guess 500ish in it ,not sure it's a big enough space for 1800,also though the original plan the Hall looked more square than that long rectangle shown.
 
blueparrot said:
You may well be right,I know little about it, but this image looks pretty full with at a rough guess 500ish in it ,not sure it's a big enough space for 1800,also though the original plan the Hall looked more square than that long rectangle shown.
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Na, the proportions are pretty much per the plan. And its fixed access points, does really look like it is the whole space and not one portion of it. If that is what you are suggesting.

It's capacity depends on the content and how it is laid out. Easily holds the 1800 that was stated in the approval. With fixed booths and seating, etc, this reduces obviously. Fwiw I did look at the images with reasonable effort, and the zones it is split in. I did post it before happy for it to be challenged. It is by no means definitive, but I do think what is shown is fairly conclusive.
 
@jrb @blueparrot @Coatigan

Images via Manchester City

The only way to find out is to ask someone who is working on the site if there is another part of City Hall

Is this the main entrance from Medlock Square below? If it is, then the bars are on the opposite side of the hall, not like they are on the floor plans


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Are these the double-sided bars that go onto Medlock Square, marked "X" in the floor plan or bars in the middle of a big city hall

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If you watch the video below

City Hall | Manchester City F.C.

Surrounded by fellow fans, great food and flowing pints, stories are shared and moments relived in equal measure. Welcome to the great hall. Our City Hall.
www.mancity.com www.mancity.com

The video starts with people walking towards City Hall. If you look at the drawing above, it looks like they are walking in from the left (CIRCULATION).

The guy with the Harland strip looks like he came through the turnstile (top left)

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The video shows an area for City Hall, but it does not look massive. Could it be that there is 2 City Halls?

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1 Main entrance from Metlock Sq

2 & 3 could be bars in the middle of the biggar City Hall, or could be the double-sided bars that go onto Metlock Square?

City Hall could be a multi-function space that uses bi-fold doors to make larger and smaller rooms
 
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LEXSTARproject said:
@jrb

Images via Manchester City

The only way to find out is to ask someone who is working on the site if there is another part of City Hall

Is this the main entrance from Medlock Sq below


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Are these the double-sided bars that go onto Medlock Sq marked "X" in the floor plan

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If you watch the video below

City Hall | Manchester City F.C.

Surrounded by fellow fans, great food and flowing pints, stories are shared and moments relived in equal measure. Welcome to the great hall. Our City Hall.
www.mancity.com www.mancity.com

The video starts with people walking towards City Hall. If you look at the drawing above, it looks like they are walking in from the left (CIRCULATION).

The guy with the Harland strip looks like he came through the turnstile (top left)

View attachment 188476

The video shows an area for City Hall, but it does not look massive. Could it be that there is 2 City Halls?

View attachment 188477

1 Main entrance from Metlock Sq

2 & 3 could be bars in the middle of the biggar City Hall, or could be the double-sided bars that go onto Metlock Square

City Hall could be a multi-function space that uses bi-fold doors to make larger and smaller rooms
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Paging @blueparrot
 
LEXSTARproject said:
@jrb

Images via Manchester City

The only way to find out is to ask someone who is working on the site if there is another part of City Hall

Is this the main entrance from Medlock Sq below


View attachment 188473

Are these the double-sided bars that go onto Medlock Sq marked "X" in the floor plan

View attachment 188474

View attachment 188475

If you watch the video below

City Hall | Manchester City F.C.

Surrounded by fellow fans, great food and flowing pints, stories are shared and moments relived in equal measure. Welcome to the great hall. Our City Hall.
www.mancity.com www.mancity.com

The video starts with people walking towards City Hall. If you look at the drawing above, it looks like they are walking in from the left (CIRCULATION).

The guy with the Harland strip looks like he came through the turnstile (top left)

View attachment 188476

The video shows an area for City Hall, but it does not look massive. Could it be that there is 2 City Halls?

View attachment 188477

1 Main entrance from Metlock Sq

2 & 3 could be bars in the middle of the biggar City Hall, or could be the double-sided bars that go onto Metlock Square

City Hall could be a multi-function space that uses bi-fold doors to make larger and smaller rooms
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Further in the video, you see access to the seating tier broadly where your 3 is.

Don't think it is split, it would be too narrow and also wouldn't particularly work, as people from Medlock Square or the tiers above would have to pass through a space they have no access to, to get to the seats.
 
LEXSTARproject said:
@jrb

Images via Manchester City

The only way to find out is to ask someone who is working on the site if there is another part of City Hall

Is this the main entrance from Medlock Sq below


View attachment 188473

Are these the double-sided bars that go onto Medlock Sq marked "X" in the floor plan

View attachment 188474

View attachment 188475

If you watch the video below

City Hall | Manchester City F.C.

Surrounded by fellow fans, great food and flowing pints, stories are shared and moments relived in equal measure. Welcome to the great hall. Our City Hall.
www.mancity.com www.mancity.com

The video starts with people walking towards City Hall. If you look at the drawing above, it looks like they are walking in from the left (CIRCULATION).

The guy with the Harland strip looks like he came through the turnstile (top left)

View attachment 188476

The video shows an area for City Hall, but it does not look massive. Could it be that there is 2 City Halls?

View attachment 188477

1 Main entrance from Metlock Sq

2 & 3 could be bars in the middle of the biggar City Hall, or could be the double-sided bars that go onto Metlock Square

City Hall could be a multi-function space that uses bi-fold doors to make larger and smaller rooms
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You’d have to find the right person amongst the many construction workers.

And even if you did find the right person, they wouldn’t tell you.

Pretty much everything is NDA’d across the construction site.

If you remember back, whilst I was helping to sort out the 1894 flag room, and folding the banners up on the SSL1 concourse, I luckily saw the new SSL1 bar under construction. I took some pictures on the QT and posted them on Blue Moon. If I hadn’t taken the pictures we wouldn’t have know what the new bar would look like prior to it opening.

Not a single picture of the new hospitality areas and bar areas inside City Hall, on the NSL2 concourses, and the Medlock Hotel has been posted on any of the social media websites yet. (X, Linkedin, Facebook, Tick-Tock, etc)
 
Coatigan said:
Further in the video, you see access to the seating tier broadly where your 3 is.

Don't think it is split, it would be too narrow and also wouldn't particularly work, as people from Medlock Square or the tiers above would have to pass through a space they have no access to, to get to the seats.
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@Coatigan @blueparrot @jrb

These could be bi-fold doors
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On match day City Hall will be used as a supporters bar with a capacity of 1800. Users will enter via turnstiles (1) from the north.Two double fronted bars will serve into City Hall and City Square (2)Access to WC provision will be through new links to the existing General Admission WCs (3)CITY HALLCONCOURSE AREA CAPACITY AREA / SPECTATOR POINT OF SALE POS/SPECTATOR CITY SQUARE CITY HALL PLAZA CAPACITY AREA / SPECTATOR 1POINT OF SALE POS/SPECTATOR 925m218000.51m2/spectator201/90 2778m225001.1m2/spectator201/125NB Alternative concessions serve City Square
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City Hall on a non-match day has been designed for a conference capacity of 1200. Users will enter in through a pre-function space (1) with cloakroom and temporary catering facilities.F&B will be provided by two bars (2) to the north two kitchens serving mobile food units (3). Furniture storage has been located adjacent (4)CITY HALLCONCOURSE AREA CAPACITY AREA / SPECTATOR POINT OF SALE POS/SPECTATOR WC PROVISIONMALE 925m212000.77m2/spectator201/60 REQUIRED PROVIDED URINAL WC WHB FEMALE WC WHB 7 4 6 1046REQUIRED PROVIDED 13 13 1412WC provision is calculated from British Standard 6465, Table 10 using a 50:50 split of the maximum occupancy of 1,200.
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City Hall on a non-match day has been designed for an exhibition set-up. Users will enter in through a pre-function space (1) with cloakroom and temporary catering facilities.F&B will be provised by two bars (2) to the north two kitchens serving mobile food units (3). Furniture storage has been located adjacent (4)Loading / unloading will be conducted through the northern entry from City Square protected by the ETFE roof cover. (5)CITY HALLCONCOURSE AREA CAPACITY AREA / SPECTATOR POINT OF SALE POS/SPECTATOR WC PROVISIONMALE 925m2N/AN/A20N/A REQUIRED PROVIDED URINAL WC WHB FEMALE 1WC WHB 7 4 6 1046REQUIRED PROVIDED 13 13 1412WC provision is calculated from British Standard 6465, Table 10 using a 50:50 split of the maximum occupancy of 1,200
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City Hall on a non-match day has been designed for a banqueting capacity of 800 on round tables of 10. Users will enter in through a pre-function space (1) with cloakroom and temporary catering facilities.F&B will be provided by two bars (2) to the north two kitchens serving mobile food units (3). Furniture storage has been located adjacent (4)CITY HALLCONCOURSE AREA CAPACITY AREA / SPECTATOR POINT OF SALE POS/SPECTATOR WC PROVISIONMALE 925m28001.15m2/spectator201/40 REQUIRED PROVIDED URINAL WC WHB FEMALE WC WHB 17 4 6 1046REQUIRED PROVIDED 13 13 1412WC provision is calculated from British Standard 6465, Table 10 using a 50:50 split of the maximum occupancy of 1,200 for conferences.
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LEXSTARproject said:
@jrb @blueparrot @Coatigan

Images via Manchester City

The only way to find out is to ask someone who is working on the site if there is another part of City Hall

Is this the main entrance from Medlock Square below? If it is, then the bars are on the opposite side of the hall, not like they are on the floor plans


View attachment 188473

Are these the double-sided bars that go onto Medlock Square, marked "X" in the floor plan or bars in the middle of a big city hall

View attachment 188474

View attachment 188475

If you watch the video below

City Hall | Manchester City F.C.

Surrounded by fellow fans, great food and flowing pints, stories are shared and moments relived in equal measure. Welcome to the great hall. Our City Hall.
www.mancity.com www.mancity.com

The video starts with people walking towards City Hall. If you look at the drawing above, it looks like they are walking in from the left (CIRCULATION).

The guy with the Harland strip looks like he came through the turnstile (top left)

View attachment 188476

The video shows an area for City Hall, but it does not look massive. Could it be that there is 2 City Halls?

View attachment 188477

1 Main entrance from Metlock Sq

2 & 3 could be bars in the middle of the biggar City Hall, or could be the double-sided bars that go onto Metlock Square?

City Hall could be a multi-function space that uses bi-fold doors to make larger and smaller rooms
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Looks like a lot of plastic fans in there to me. :-)
 
On match day City Hall will be used as a supporters bar with a capacity of 1800. Users will enter via turnstiles (1) from the north.Two double fronted bars will serve into City Hall and City Square (2)Access to WC provision will be through new links to the existing General Admission WCs (3)CITY HALLCONCOURSE AREA CAPACITY AREA / SPECTATOR POINT OF SALE POS/SPECTATOR CITY SQUARE CITY HALL PLAZA CAPACITY AREA / SPECTATOR 1POINT OF SALE POS/SPECTATOR 925m218000.51m2/spectator201/90 2778m225001.1m2/spectator201/125NB Alternative concessions serve City Square

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LEXSTARproject said:
@jrb @blueparrot @Coatigan

Images via Manchester City

The only way to find out is to ask someone who is working on the site if there is another part of City Hall

Is this the main entrance from Medlock Square below? If it is, then the bars are on the opposite side of the hall, not like they are on the floor plans


View attachment 188473

Are these the double-sided bars that go onto Medlock Square, marked "X" in the floor plan or bars in the middle of a big city hall

View attachment 188474

View attachment 188475

If you watch the video below

City Hall | Manchester City F.C.

Surrounded by fellow fans, great food and flowing pints, stories are shared and moments relived in equal measure. Welcome to the great hall. Our City Hall.
www.mancity.com www.mancity.com

The video starts with people walking towards City Hall. If you look at the drawing above, it looks like they are walking in from the left (CIRCULATION).

The guy with the Harland strip looks like he came through the turnstile (top left)

View attachment 188476

The video shows an area for City Hall, but it does not look massive. Could it be that there is 2 City Halls?

View attachment 188477

1 Main entrance from Metlock Sq

2 & 3 could be bars in the middle of the biggar City Hall, or could be the double-sided bars that go onto Metlock Square?

City Hall could be a multi-function space that uses bi-fold doors to make larger and smaller rooms
Click to expand...

You can see the column grid either side. I am fairly convinced they havent split it, and it is the whole space. But they have 'narrowed' it, relative to how you would read the plan, to inbetween the columns, leaving the ring beyond the southern line as circulation.

Look at the first floor plan, and the proportions of the void. That's bang on what this space is like in size, and that's evident in that there are no steps in height.

Furthermore, the club themselves on the website under City Hall, refer to it as an 800m2 'column free' space. Which we know is 925m2 on plan, including the columns and strip beyond. So it ties up, And if you were to replicate the shape of the void on the first floor downstairs, I would bet it would give you 800m2 and this whole space without subdivision.

So I guess the true capacity was never 1800 as such, if it were to be constrained to the column lines, but it would have been 1600 then. The club seem to be limiting that to 500 within an 800m2 space, which is not far off to the Cross Bar ratios fwiw.

So I stick to where I am with it, but open to being shown otherwise.
 
LEXSTARproject said:
On match day City Hall will be used as a supporters bar with a capacity of 1800. Users will enter via turnstiles (1) from the north.Two double fronted bars will serve into City Hall and City Square (2)Access to WC provision will be through new links to the existing General Admission WCs (3)CITY HALLCONCOURSE AREA CAPACITY AREA / SPECTATOR POINT OF SALE POS/SPECTATOR CITY SQUARE CITY HALL PLAZA CAPACITY AREA / SPECTATOR 1POINT OF SALE POS/SPECTATOR 925m218000.51m2/spectator201/90 2778m225001.1m2/spectator201/125NB Alternative concessions serve City Square

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That was then, this is now.

It is the change my issue is with, not the proposals as they were when approved btw.
 
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jimharri said:
Any particular reason why the tarpaulins are still in place? Can't see there being any reason to protect the seats from falling debris, paint etc.
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If I’m being cynical, maybe to have a few more games to show our sponsors on any photos taken?

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