North Stand expansion - seating, ticketing etc

BLUE PEANUT said:
Well, we've all been taken by surprise, but the details have been hiding in plain sight in the planning docs (even includes the name Cross Bar ffs!) I have drawn how City hall will be accessed from inside the stadium. It seems us plebs in level 0 will have to stick to the concourse.View attachment 173052
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Which part or document is that from, all the plans I've been looking at just has it down as hospitality or 'premium spaces' and similar to 'Joe's Bar'. That said they state a 600 capacity but the recent release has it down as just 300. I wonder whether there's some typo's in that release or have they upgraded the seats it's related to?
 
bluesmith said:
I did tell you this a few months back...

Should all be done for the start of season, assuming we ask for an away game to start.
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I do take note of what you say mate. Just pointing out for the benefit of all, that it is now officially mentioned.
 
pride in battle said:
In your opinion...
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It’s a factual statement on the planned layout of the upper tier based on information provided by the club.

The upper tier is made up of the family stand + the expansion. There is no ‘enlarged tier’ to work with in reality - although visually & physically it will look that way - There is of course extra capacity to work with but this doesn’t benefit from the ‘enlarged tier’ concept.

Hence, why this expansion will make no difference to the atmosphere in terms of taking advantage of the ‘enlarged tier’. Could it improve the atmosphere by getting a load of singers together and taking advantage of a new safe standing section? Absolutely - You’re correct - but this could also have been done with a new 3rd tier.

I find that a lot of people only see good vs bad or black & white, while my answers are often more nuanced. This leads to confusion where people think I’m automatically straight up disagreeing with them. Hopefully this clears up that I’m not actually saying ‘this won’t help the atmosphere’ or ‘GA+ is killing the stand’.
 
HelloCity said:
There’s nothing to disagree with - It’s a factual statement. The full extended tier isn’t really being used in a way that has any additional benefit over a third tier.

The current planned set up of tier 2 means that for all intents and purposes, the expansion itself is operating as a 3rd tier.

Tier 2 would have the family stand in place, then a dividing line for GA+ seats, and then standard/safe standing seats.

That means there’s no real difference, apart from visually, then if they had built a third tier instead, kept the family stand as tier 2 and had tier 3 as standard and safe standing.
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It's not a factual statement at all! You're suggesting our 2 tier stand is 3 tiers. It isn't.

Whether it's got families at the front and some GA+ in it doesn't stop it being a single tier. They're not segregated by a physical split in the stand. Your perception is that we'll have a group of families sat on their bums with a group of GA+ fans sat on their bums and that wrecks what could have been. I don't think that is enough to write off the whole stand as being capable of generating a good atmosphere. How many of us went to Maine Road as kids and joined in the singing? And then got older and looked to go in the noisiest parts of the ground?

It would of course be better to be a fully safe standing tier, but I genuinely don't believe we have enough fans who would want to fill that and make a noise anyway based on what I've witnessed at Wembley in recent cup finals.

When there's a good set of away fans at the Etihad you can hear them. We've got double that number in the North Stand, half of them currently proposed as safe standing. That's enough to make some noise.
 
Centurions said:
Which part or document is that from, all the plans I've been looking at just has it down as hospitality or 'premium spaces' and similar to 'Joe's Bar'. That said they state a 600 capacity but the recent release has it down as just 300. I wonder whether there's some typo's in that release or have they upgraded the seats it's related to?
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Went on the planning portal map on manchester.gov.uk
In the documents listed, it is drg number NSE-POP-ZZ-ZZ-DR-A-009100 P08
"North Stand level 00....
Other dogs for other levels etc
 
supercity88 said:
That seems to be the position many are taking.

They're letting 800 (TBC) GA+ seats within a stand that will add another 6,000+ to the existing North Stand Level 1 prevent them from getting behind the positives.

Let's step back and imagine we're moving into the stadium for the first time. The South Stand has the away fans - great for some banter. But it's split over three levels and very hard to generate a coordinated atmosphere.

The North Stand has some GA+ seating within it, and not in ideal locations. But it's one huge tier providing an opportunity for 6,000+ blues to go and make a racket under the roof. The design from a noise perspective is by far the best - with the side panels and slope. It's going to make a racket. Initially 3,000 of those blues will have safe standing, with the ability to expand that provision.
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That's well put. I think people sometimes mistake a pull towards the middle, where some of us point out things arent as bad as assumed, as arguing for those things. The GA+ being the prime example. Would I do without it? Or prefer it in a different location? Or smaller? Of course. But ultimately, it is 648 spaces, in a tier of over 9500 seats, within a stand od 12000 seats. Prime location aside, they are not boxed off, they are not spaced apart more, or islanded on any way. Padded or not, more expensive or not, I'd be surprised if that's what fails this as a stand. That said the 500 bar/city hall shift could have done with more clarity, and people are reacting to that vagueness.

The same often goes for most other discussions tbf, it is made out into a fans vs club stance, but sometimes it is just opinions on what is put forward, maybe an effort at balance. And thinking it is not as bad, isn't the same as championing it.

That said, I am fully prepared for my hopeful naivity to come bite me in the arse when a couple years from now the jrbs hellocitys and M18CTIDs here are pinging photos of empty seats in the 50th minute bang in the middle of the stand where these zones are. So be it, will bow in apology at that point. Till then, happy to stay positive where I do feel that way.
 
supercity88 said:
It's not a factual statement at all! You're suggesting our 2 tier stand is 3 tiers. It isn't.

Whether it's got families at the front and some GA+ in it doesn't stop it being a single tier. They're not segregated by a physical split in the stand. Your perception is that we'll have a group of families sat on their bums with a group of GA+ fans sat on their bums and that wrecks what could have been. I don't think that is enough to write off the whole stand as being capable of generating a good atmosphere. How many of us went to Maine Road as kids and joined in the singing? And then got older and looked to go in the noisiest parts of the ground?

It would of course be better to be a fully safe standing tier, but I genuinely don't believe we have enough fans who would want to fill that and make a noise anyway based on what I've witnessed at Wembley in recent cup finals.

When there's a good set of away fans at the Etihad you can hear them. We've got double that number in the North Stand, half of them currently proposed as safe standing. That's enough to make some noise.
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Definitely, its up to the fans to get in there and sing! This is the last chance but for whatever reason some fans are finding excuse after excuse...fucking bizzare !
 
supercity88 said:
It's not a factual statement at all! You're suggesting our 2 tier stand is 3 tiers. It isn't.

Whether it's got families at the front and some GA+ in it doesn't stop it being a single tier. They're not segregated by a physical split in the stand. Your perception is that we'll have a group of families sat on their bums with a group of GA+ fans sat on their bums and that wrecks what could have been. I don't think that is enough to write off the whole stand as being capable of generating a good atmosphere. How many of us went to Maine Road as kids and joined in the singing? And then got older and looked to go in the noisiest parts of the ground?

It would of course be better to be a fully safe standing tier, but I genuinely don't believe we have enough fans who would want to fill that and make a noise anyway based on what I've witnessed at Wembley in recent cup finals.

When there's a good set of away fans at the Etihad you can hear them. We've got double that number in the North Stand, half of them currently proposed as safe standing. That's enough to make some noise.
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Posted on this page just a min ago to add extra detail - you’re still not quite getting it. Keep in mind I’m giving a more nuanced response than good vs bad.

I’m saying we’re not really taking advantage of an enlarged tier - not that the family stand or GA+ would ruin the atmosphere or mean we can’t have a roudy safe standing area. The proposed layout could really have been done in a 3rd tier as well with no real difference to the atmosphere - positively or negatively.

Is there still an opportunity to improve the atmosphere by getting a load of singers together and taking advantage of a new safe standing section? Absolutely - You’re correct - but this could also have been done with a new third tier.
 
jrb said:
Once the stand, the hotel, the claws, the fan zone, the paving, the roads, the landscaping, the planting, the street furniture is all done, it will look brilliant, especially during the Summer months with the better weather.

Then on to the Collar site, hopefully? That’s for another thread.
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it`s going to amazing, especially at night.
 
The club need to promote the hell out of this as an atmosphere end, give 1894 their own area at the back, then offer season in the existing singing areas first refusal to relocate, in groups if they want, and also offer a big discount for the first year. The first season is make or break. If the existing singers don’t move it will fail. If they do I think it will be a bigger success than anyone can even dream of.

The ground needs one voice.
 
Manchester City fans who have been told they will have to move their season tickets to make way for a new hospitality section behind the North Stand goal have reacted with anger to the latest controversial ticketing decision at the Etihad.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk

'I've had City season ticket for 48 years - we've become what we hated Utd for'

Manchester City have confirmed further details around the North Stand expansion and the latest update means some season ticket holders are being asked to move seats.
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk
 
GX Blue said:
Joe Mercer Way is about 200 meters and if they were doing it all you’d think it would be included in these pictures. It’s not like a side job. It’s a good stretch of tarmac’ing.
I’m sure they will be doing it as it would be a weird eye sore next to new landscaping at the top and around the hotel etc if they didn’t.
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Sent this a while back and people sent pics of the plans but I still haven’t seen anyone confirm that JMW will be retarmacked.

All resurfacing plans seems to end at the bridge. People presume it will be done but so far have we any proof?

The current dirty blue and white is a disastrous look.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
The club need to promote the hell out of this as an atmosphere end, give 1894 their own area at the back, then offer season in the existing singing areas first refusal to relocate, in groups if they want, and also offer a big discount for the first year. The first season is make or break. If the existing singers don’t move it will fail. If they do I think it will be a bigger success than anyone can even dream of.

The ground needs one voice.
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I totally agree with you Dave.

What update announcement did we get from the club yesterday.

The Cross Bar, welcoming 300 fans and offering a relaxed, social atmosphere.

A 500 fan City Hall enhanced bar experience.

Absolutely no mention of a dedicated singing section with in, and as part of the 3000 safe standing seats mentioned, which we all knew about.

Maybe the club think the 3000 safe standing seats, along with the 3000 City fans stood in front of those safe standing seats will create an atmosphere without a dedicated singing section, block or blocks?

Once those 3000 safe standing seats are filled with general City fans, Mem Women, Youth, singers, non singers, football tourists, hotel guests, etc, nothing can and will be changed if the the NSL2 tier isn't improving the atmosphere inside the ground.
 
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Eccles Blue said:
Please excuse my ignorance/density of brain but I take it GA stands for General Admission as in buying the tickets weekly/matchly? :-)
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Just means regular seats, whether season ticket or matchday, not dedicated bar or padded seat.So GA + is a padded seat with access to a bar food area instead of the concourse like 93:20 or Joes, they will still be season ticket holders with the odd match day seats.
Where hospitality is usually a one off experience for fans in the various restaurant options, then corporate is something different again usually businesses entertaining clients eg Tunnel club.
 
jrb said:
I totally agree with you Dave.

What update announcement did we get from the club yesterday.

The Cross Bar, welcoming 300 fans and offering a relaxed, social atmosphere.

A 500 fan City Hall enhanced bar experience.

Absolutely no mention of a dedicated singing section with in, and as part of the 3000 safe standing seats mentioned, which we all knew about.

Maybe the club think the 3000 safe standing seats, along with the 3000 City fans stood in front of those safe standing seats will create an atmosphere without a dedicated singing section, block or blocks?

Once those 3000 safe standing seats are filled with general City fans, Mem Women, Youth, singers, non singers, football tourists, hotel guests, etc, nothing can and will be changed if the the NSL2 tier isn't improving the atmosphere inside the ground.
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Which is exactly why 1894 need to engage and be involved with the club discussing those 3000 standing/ singing seats.
 
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