North Stand expansion - seating, ticketing etc

Am I the only one who feels 5/6k extra ‘seats’ would still sell out if only safe standing was on offer?

I genuinely think a 5/6k standing section in the north stand would become one of the most popular areas in the ground.

Like even if it wasn’t an official ‘end’, the demand for tickets would see season tickets or just one off tickets sell out for a bigger safe standing section for most league games.

I’m more into the mindset of build it and they will come in this regard rather count roughly how many people want to stand and have them fit into this specific section or making it slightly bigger depending on the numbers.

If Harry and Jane come over from the US to watch City, they aren’t going to say no if the only 2 tickets available are two safe standing spaces in the north stand.

I don’t think there’s anything to lose by having more safe standing anyway.
 
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Prophet of Doom said:
The problem with 1894 is that one minute they want to be taken seriously as a group representing supporters with lengthy ‘official statements’, the next they are posting Goldbridge style snide comments about City on their social media.

Surely if you want to be taken seriously by City they need to show they are professional and represent their members.

I’ve no idea how the group is organised but it was summed up by their social media post slagging off the Noel Gallagher 4th kit on release day as shit. Why any grown man would be arsed about a kit that would be worn once in a marketing campaign linked to the biggest ever band reunion ticket sale is head scratching to me - yet whoever controls the Twitter site for 1894 wrote a snide post on launch day that it’s shit.

Was that the official line from 1894 or the sole voice of whichever kid was controlling the 1894 Twitter page that day ?

I’ve no interest in defending City as I’m sure they ain’t interested in any consultation and will do what they want, but if 1894 had any ideas of being partners with the decision makers at City on what to do with the new £300m investment i would imagine they need to show they represent their members and are not some loose cannon posting the first thing that comes into their head.
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I honestly can’t believe there wasn’t more of a storm about the 4th kit shambles.

We we Manchester City. We play in Blue. We should not be playing in a white kit at home!

It was a marketing stunt by the club to make even more money at the expense of our traditions and culture.

The issue is if we let little things slip (like wearing white rather than blue for a one off game), the bigger things become more likely. Hard stance early on can negate that.
 
Manchester33 said:
I honestly can’t believe there wasn’t more of a storm about the 4th kit shambles.

We we Manchester City. We play in Blue. We should not be playing in a white kit at home!

It was a marketing stunt by the club to make even more money at the expense of our traditions and culture.

The issue is if we let little things slip (like wearing white rather than blue for a one off game), the bigger things become more likely. Hard stance early on can negate that.
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Haven't come across anyone that was that bothered about a one off not wearing the home kit.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
FFS I've just read the 1894 statment on this. This is about engagement and influence, not writing a whole impossible list of demands and backing yourselves into a corner like Teresa May because they can't be granted.

Piss poor negotation, especially as you'd already been granted the number one objective: "Anchor Tenants".
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There are things that can be granted very easily! What is impossible in that list?

- release a pricing policy
- consult with existing season card holders in North Stand
- commit to X number of season tickets (and give choice between flexigold or normal)
- move the GA+ seats from front and centre (we gave a few suggestions as to how the could do this).

They’re all easily achievable. If the club truly wants the North Stand to be an atmospheric home end, they can do more.
 
blueparrot said:
Haven't come across anyone that was that bothered about a one off not wearing the home kit.
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I came across plenty.

In isolation it is a small thing. But how would you feel if the club turned round and said from next season our home kit will be white?

Surely you see the point I’m making? We don’t want a snowballing issue.
 
Lowtower said:
More or less than the light shows?

I've just resigned myself that we will now do this weird sort of stuff forever now.
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More, the light shows are one thing but wearing away colours at a home game for nothing more than marketing purposes is just wrong.

Was equally pissed off when we did it V Boro.
 
Manchester33 said:
There are things that can be granted very easily! What is impossible in that list?

- release a pricing policy
- consult with existing season card holders in North Stand
- commit to X number of season tickets (and give choice between flexigold or normal)
- move the GA+ seats from front and centre (we gave a few suggestions as to how the could do this).

They’re all easily achievable. If the club truly wants the North Stand to be an atmospheric home end, they can do more.
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It's too early and too much to start demanding all that. Decisions won't have even been made yet. If you'd kept those requirements looser - "affordable seating", "Consult with existing season ticket holders" etc you'd still be at the table.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
It's too early and too much to start demanding all that. Decisions won't have even been made yet. If you'd kept those requirements looser - "affordable seating", "Consult with existing season ticket holders" etc you'd still be at the table.
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I disagree Dave. It's not too early. It's probably too late if anything! The decisions HAVE been made.
 
Lowtower said:
More or less than the light shows?

I've just resigned myself that we will now do this weird sort of stuff forever now.
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That apathy leads to more 'weird stuff' further down the line though.

I know 1894 can be seen as constantly combative, but we're looking at the bigger picture, trying to ensure our traditions aren't eroded away. Without someone kicking up a storm, City fans collectively would be in a much worse position!
 
Lowtower said:
More or less than the light shows?

I've just resigned myself that we will now do this weird sort of stuff forever now.
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A lot of people like the light show, especially younger fans,they won't think it's weird. Whether more like it than don't who knows. Football isn't the same as when I was young in the 70s and 80s times change. I 'm sure when I went as a teenager in the 70s old fans moaned about the modern game.
 
Manchester33 said:
I disagree Dave. It's not too early. It's probably too late if anything! The decisions HAVE been made.
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Some will have been made but others won't. Take up the option of being "Anchor Tenants" and the hardest work is done. The rest can be discussed from there. There's a win/win here if it is sought out properly - this could be a bog boost to 1894. The club want this to make money but I think they realise that a passionate ground brings in commercial revenue in itself.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Some will have been made but others won't. Take up the option of being "Anchor Tenants" and the hardest work is done. The rest can be discussed from there. There's a win/win here if it is sought out properly - this could be a bog boost to 1894. The club want this to make money but I think they realise that a passionate ground brings in commercial revenue in itself.
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I imagine the toilets in the expanded NS will be far better than the basic as fuck ones we have in SS3 but I don't think they will be a game changer as far as 1894 are concerned.
 
Didsbury Dave said:
Some will have been made but others won't. Take up the option of being "Anchor Tenants" and the hardest work is done. The rest can be discussed from there. There's a win/win here if it is sought out properly - this could be a bog boost to 1894. The club want this to make money but I think they realise that a passionate ground brings in commercial revenue in itself.
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We would need our membership to buy into it (something I genuinely don't think they'll do with the plans the club currently has - we need full plans to be released).

Just to emphasise the point I'm making, look at this image:

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It's not perfect, so forgive my quick attempt.

The yellow section is the rail seats/standing.

The purple section is hospitality.

You cannot call that an 'atmospheric North Stand - it absolutely isn't.

What we were hoping for was for rail seats to reach atleast where the orange line was. This would change the narrative entirely. The club saying they can (not will) add more rail seats in isn't enough of a commitment for us to push fans to relocate.

This initial update from the club should be enough evidence to support my argument that City themselves do not see the North Stand as 'an atmospheric home end' (which means other concessions that we need to ensure it is a success might be overlooked). It's a stand with rail seats in (and a family stand, and hospitality, and prayer rooms, and sky walks, and restaurants, and hotels).
 
Manchester33 said:
We would need our membership to buy into it (something I genuinely don't think they'll do with the plans the club currently has - we need full plans to be released).

Just to emphasise the point I'm making, look at this image:

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It's not perfect, so forgive my quick attempt.

The yellow section is the rail seats/standing.

The purple section is hospitality.

You cannot call that an 'atmospheric North Stand - it absolutely isn't.

What we were hoping for was for rail seats to reach atleast where the orange line was. This would change the narrative entirely. The club saying they can (not will) add more rail seats in isn't enough of a commitment for us to push fans to relocate.

This initial update from the club should be enough evidence to support my argument that City themselves do not see the North Stand as 'an atmospheric home end' (which means other concessions that we need to ensure it is a success might be overlooked). It's a stand with rail seats in (and a family stand, and hospitality, and prayer rooms, and sky walks, and restaurants, and hotels).
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They consulated the fans first and the approach they've taken is based on their input. City said if there's demand for rail seating in the future then they'll expand it. Sounds like a pragmatic approach to me and some people will moan at anything.
 
Manchester33 said:
We would need our membership to buy into it (something I genuinely don't think they'll do with the plans the club currently has - we need full plans to be released).

Just to emphasise the point I'm making, look at this image:

View attachment 133635

It's not perfect, so forgive my quick attempt.

The yellow section is the rail seats/standing.

The purple section is hospitality.

You cannot call that an 'atmospheric North Stand - it absolutely isn't.

What we were hoping for was for rail seats to reach atleast where the orange line was. This would change the narrative entirely. The club saying they can (not will) add more rail seats in isn't enough of a commitment for us to push fans to relocate.

This initial update from the club should be enough evidence to support my argument that City themselves do not see the North Stand as 'an atmospheric home end' (which means other concessions that we need to ensure it is a success might be overlooked). It's a stand with rail seats in (and a family stand, and hospitality, and prayer rooms, and sky walks, and restaurants, and hotels).
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So if you were hoping for the orange line 8000 isn't a red line, the premium seats aren't a red line.So why say it is,you don't seem to be undertanding the meaning of red lines in the 1894 statement..Work with the club say you will take most of the 3000 and persuade them you can work with fans to get to 4/5000 approaching your orange line.Don't talk about red lines and maybe in years to come as those seats in front of those 4 maybe 5 000 standing will stand and join in whats happening behind them forcing the club to expand the safe standing.
 
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