Now Kia is having a go at Mancini

[Didsbury Dave]

He didn't need to play dumb BK to say that he is most disappointed with Tevez's attitude as he said of Dzeko and that he will have to speak to the appropriate people about what the best approach for the club is to deal with what occurred would be.

Come off it fella, it was live on Sky, being watched by millions, and a player of the worldwide profile of Carlos is refusing to come on as a sub.

Hardly a "I am disappointed in his attitude" moment.

I was at the game so only got to watch the recording on Thursday after getting back from Munich.

At no point during the game did anyone say anything about him refusing to play.

Only after - in Geoff Shreeve's interview with Mancini was it revealed that he "refused to play".

Mancini could've (should've?) handled it better...or were his answers lost in translation?

Absolutely correct. Mancini blew the story worldwide. It would hardly have been noticed otherwise.

 

[mancity1]

The way spurs handled modric is the sensible way. He will go to chelsea but at full value. That is the way a professionally run club does things.

Modric didn't refuse to play during a match, there is a huge difference right there. If Tevez said before the match that he wasn't right, he may well have still had a future with us and there would have been none of the drama that we've seen.

If Modric was on the bench against the rags and refused to come on they would be in exactly the same boat we are.

I'd also say that Modric is prepared to act professionally with Spurs while he remains there, if tevez stays would anyone be confident that he would be prepared to act as professionally?

-- Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:42 pm --

In effect he is saying that he has run out of ideas as to how to handle Tevez and while in reality albeit in less dramatic circumstances the same thing happened at Manure the club truthfully or otherwise spun the line that they were not prepared to pay him or pay the fee that was being peddled for Tevez.

The same thing didn't happen at the rags, or any of the other "identical situations" people are quoting as being better dealt with by other clubs.

No what I meant Moomba is Tevez's petulance and antics finally left Fergie with the conclusion it was better that he leave the club.

I probably didn't elaborate well enough there Moomba.

I said along time ago that I cannot understand why Tevez didn't tell Mancini before the team left that he wasn't right to play after all it would have given him more time with his kids (lol).

If something that we don't know about happened to alter his mental and or physical state after landing he should have gone to RM before the side was picked.

I agree with you wholeheartedly well at least if it did it has escaped the media or Manure have done well to keep it from the media that Tevez refused to come on when asked in the many times he was on the bench particularly in his second season at Manure.

Then again while it may have been reported I wasn't aware of Scholes antics until he mentioned it himself as he knows goes to the presses far more often since he has retired than before as he angles for a more meaty role in the media so who knows Moomba maybe this is not the first time Tevez has refused to play or come on when asked.

To be quite truthful I wouldn't be surprised if he hasn't done it before.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

Did we actually get any bids for Tevez though?I doubt we did because the biggest clubs out there know they are buying trouble.

He will end up at Corinthians-can you see any other big club buying him?

I don't know the facts properly but I believe other clubs were interested.

And this whole episode makes him less saleable, that's one of my points. It acheieved nothing to go on worldwide television and say he'd never play for the club again. £20m came off his value at that precise moment, and all the headlines about us being a disunited club.

 

[moomba]

No what I meant Moomba is Tevez's petulance and antics finally left Fergie with the conclusion it was better that he leave the club.

Why did the rags release a press statement saying that they made an offer to buy Tevez and make him one of the highest paid players at the club then?

 

[cleavers]

Can someone explain to me, how tevez refusing to come on in the middle of a high profile Champions League game, is, in any way, comparable to a player asking his manager several hours before a game, if he could be left out because his head wasn't right ?

Had tevez head not been right, and he had asked several hours before the game to sit it out, it would have been comparable, but he didn't, he refused to play in the middle of a match.

 

[Blue Tooth]

Come off it fella, it was live on Sky, being watched by millions, and a player of the worldwide profile of Carlos is refusing to come on as a sub.

Hardly a "I am disappointed in his attitude" moment.

I was at the game so only got to watch the recording on Thursday after getting back from Munich.

At no point during the game did anyone say anything about him refusing to play.

Only after - in Geoff Shreeve's interview with Mancini was it revealed that he "refused to play".

Mancini could've (should've?) handled it better...or were his answers lost in translation?

Absolutely correct. Mancini blew the story worldwide. It would hardly have been noticed otherwise.

It was a story on the version I watched ( maybe espn stream) and they were very aware of a 'major' situation on the City bench...Mancini would've looked a prick if he'd no commented this one.

 

[flb]

Come off it fella, it was live on Sky, being watched by millions, and a player of the worldwide profile of Carlos is refusing to come on as a sub.

Hardly a "I am disappointed in his attitude" moment.

I was at the game so only got to watch the recording on Thursday after getting back from Munich.

At no point during the game did anyone say anything about him refusing to play.

Only after - in Geoff Shreeve's interview with Mancini was it revealed that he "refused to play".

Mancini could've (should've?) handled it better...or were his answers lost in translation?

Absolutely correct. Mancini blew the story worldwide. It would hardly have been noticed otherwise.

Sorry Dave i disagree,the little **** undermimed Mancini on the biggest stage-and by all accounts its not the only time on the touchline hes shown his contempt.

Mancini had every right to call the **** out and to say it would have hardly been noticed if he had said nothing is wrong-the dressing room would have suffered so why should Mancini pacify a player who to be frank is fucking bad news.

Hes had plenty of chances to knuckle down under Mancinis regime-hes caused trouble at EVERY single club hes played at.

Come on dave FFS,your not 100% behind Mancini but give some credit for waht hes did on that night-he called out the little shit,and rightly so.

 

[ono]

By saying 'they refused to play, but they refused to play in a different way' he's unwittingly admitted that Tevez did in fact refuse to play.

 

[mancity1]

Agreed. The story had broken during the match. Mancini playing dumb would have just made him look like a clueless idiot. Sometimes an honest reaction is all you have left.

Modric refused to play when the transfer saga was at its height and we know this because Harry told everyone that Modric's head wasn't right and didn't want to play.

When Modric did play against us Harry then told the world after the game that Modric had approached him some hours before kick off asking not to play when 24 hours prior to that he had been willing to play. Not sure how Harry telling the media about Modric's mood swings is 'keeping it in house' but I'm sure DD will enlighten us.

He didn't need to play dumb BK to say that he is most disappointed with Tevez's attitude as he said of Dzeko and that he will have to speak to the appropriate people about what the best approach for the club is to deal with what occurred would be.

Come off it fella, it was live on Sky, being watched by millions, and a player of the worldwide profile of Carlos is refusing to come on as a sub.

Hardly a "I am disappointed in his attitude" moment.

Mancini has unnecessarily made it known to the world its him or me Rammy Blue.

It didn't need to be that way that's all I am saying even if in reality that is what he would have said to the owners in the calm of a professional meeting afterwards.

We lost our CEO over a schoolboy prank and a touch of dishonesty and media spin.

I firmly believe all that will come of this is that Tevez has played his last game for us but lets hope the board see it that way as well.

Mancini could have handled it better that is all I am saying and I know from personal experience on a number of occasions that their is a lot of credence in what I am saying.

You can get the same result Rammy but often its how it is done that determines the success of the exercise in both short and long term scenarios that follow.

 

[flb]

Did we actually get any bids for Tevez though?I doubt we did because the biggest clubs out there know they are buying trouble.

He will end up at Corinthians-can you see any other big club buying him?

I don't know the facts properly but I believe other clubs were interested.

And this whole episode makes him less saleable, that's one of my points. It acheieved nothing to go on worldwide television and say he'd never play for the club again. £20m came off his value at that precise moment, and all the headlines about us being a disunited club.

A lot of the disunited stories about City stem from Tevez and that greasy little shit who advises him,lets not forget that Cook for all his faults was shown the door with help from Kias involvment with Nedum,and that was from Tolm.