Offside judgement (Laporte v Wolves)

BTW SWP i will stand corrected if i find an OFFICIAL (IFAB/FIFA) statement or paper that states upper arm is now included in offside judgement, as part of the upper arm's inclusion in the new handball rule.
But you had not helped me at all to find that :)

So i go by the official rules until someone provides a specific statement from an official source.
 
Mike45 said:
Let me repeat in case you understand it:


This is the official FIFA rule that stats arm in the offside rule no NOT matter:

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So ARM DOES NOT count for offside position!



We can use FA also to show this if FIFA is not enough:

www.thefa.com

Law 11 - Offside

IFAB Laws of the Game
www.thefa.com www.thefa.com
OFFSIDE
A player is in an offside position if:
  • any part of the head, body or feet is in the opponents’ half (excluding the halfway line) and
  • any part of the head, body or feet is nearer to the opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the second-last opponent
  • The hands and arms of all players, including the goalkeepers, are not considered.

www.thefa.com

Law 12 - Fouls and Misconduct

IFAB Laws of the Game
www.thefa.com www.thefa.com
HANDLING THE BALL

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:
  • A handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)
For the purposes of determining handball offences, the upper boundary of the arm is in line with the bottom of the armpit.


So PL and IFAB disagree 100 % with what you say.
The extension of the arm is ONLY for handball new rule and not for offside too.
Only morons would not understand it since they state it so clearly.....


Your ego seems to be so high you cannot even read correctly as it seems while the statements are SO clear. Arm does NOT count for offside rule.
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I repeat - the upper arm is no longer classed as being part of the arm.

IFAB:

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As it is not part of the arm, it counts for offside.

Seriously dude, you’re embarrassing.
 
1. It stands to reason that only parts of your body you can score with can render you offside - this is as good as stated in the law.
2. According to the handball rule, you can score a goal with the top of your arm.
3. It follows if you can score a goal with the top of your arm, it can also render you offside.

QED
 
Mike45 said:
BTW SWP i will stand corrected if i find an OFFICIAL (IFAB/FIFA) statement or paper that states upper arm is now included in offside judgement, as part of the upper arm's inclusion in the new handball rule.
But you had not helped me at all to find that :)

So i go by the official rules until someone provides a specific statement from an official source.
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You @ the wrong person.

Here helps explain it for you:

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https://www.premierleague.com/news/1872689

Chris Foy explains in context why the line is drawn to the edge of the green zone as that is a part of the body that can be used to score a goal and therefore is the first point of contact for where the body starts regarding offside.
 
SWP's back said:
I repeat - the upper arm is no longer classed as being part of the arm.

IFAB:

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As it is not part of the arm, it counts for offside.

Seriously dude, you’re embarrassing.
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But can you hide the fact(while showing it) that it says FOR THE PURPOSES OF DETERMINING HANDBALL OFFENCES?

It does not say for offside offences.
And furthermore in the rules for offside it says arms do NOT count.

Tell me that there is no confusion....
Even referees have stated that as i see:


Answer provided by Referee Jason Wright​

Hi Martin,

EPL VARs aren't including arms in offside rulings...though there's a small 'but' to that.

Look at the handball law. Previously the laws provided no direction on where the 'arm' started, but it was generally considered to be the point of the shoulder - where your shirt seam is. For some reason, IFAB in 2020-21 decided to fix something that wasn't broken, thus breaking it - and there's an image in the laws which shows that the upper arm, down to some undefined arbitrary point, is still legal to play. In the image at https://www.theifab.com/laws/chapter/32/section/92/ it looks like 'handball' starts about...2/3 up the upper arm, but it's really unclear.

So, the same point is used for offside, because that's why arms are excluded from offside - it excludes non-playable parts of the body.

I have a suspicion the Bamform goal that was disallowed in the recent Leeds - Crystal Palace match may have motivated your question. It looks like the VAR has attempted to draw the offside line somewhere at that undefined upper arm point. Problem is - this makes positioning of the line quite arbitrary it seems to be about halfway along the upper arm.

The bigger problem there is that the VAR didn't apply this to the defender rather they've drawn the line to the defender's torso (when people have complained about being an 'armpit' offside, the line was actually drawn to the torso - I presumed, because it was easier than trying to judge where the shoulder was as you can't tell if it's just a shirt ballooning out from the shoulder). Had the VAR applied the law the same way to both attacker and defender then either both would be drawn to the torso, or both drawn to upper arm - either way, I honestly cannot see a justification for that goal being disallowed.

So, if VAR is suddenly deciding to try an apply that handball image to offside, that's where the problem lies. They're still excluding the arm - but it's a question of how much arm to exclude. And in doing so, I really think we're straying further and further from the point of the VAR.
 
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