Offside judgement (Laporte v Wolves)

[SWP's back]

Once the initial line shows the players are essentially level, it should be left at that and the goal allowed to stand.

As I said last night, in Holland they use a 15-20cm tolerance and unless it’s beyond that distance, the on field linesman’s decision stands. (So they’d both be disallowed last night)

 

[Gray]

The lines across the pitch are difficult to get accurate, but those drawn supposedly vertically are even harder to get right.

The placing of the camera has a dramatic effect - the height of it, the angle of it and the distance from the pitch all make it incredibly difficult to get an accurate result.

There is no way they could state categorically that Laporte was offside, something has to be done about these offside decisions.

 

[SWP's back]

My opinion, they should all be goals. If you go back to giving the Lino the benefit of doubt then it can be far more corrupt, it needs to be margin of error to attacker if too close to call.

Until they can just whack it in a computer and let AI make the call, then we should be fine too.

I agree with that. It should be. Offside was originally to stop strikers standing on the keeper and gaining an advantage. 1cm or 20cm gains no advantage at all and therefore isn’t in the spirit of the law as was intended. I believe it should be that if any part of the torso crosses the defender’s torso then it’s onside (legs as harder to use as a gauge as players are often moving in opposite directions)

 

[Gazza]

As I said last night, in Holland they use a 15-20cm tolerance and unless it’s beyond that distance, the on field linesman’s decision stands. (So they’d both be disallowed last night)

I'm surprised that that the Dutch league has seen any goals with rules like that.

 

[Rammy Blue]

I agree with that. It should be. Offside was originally to stop strikers standing on the keeper and gaining an advantage. 1cm or 20cm gains no advantage at all and therefore isn’t in the spirit of the law as was intended. I believe it should be that if any part of the torso crosses the defender’s torso then it’s onside (legs as harder to use as a gauge as players are often moving in opposite directions)

Until we’ve got AI to make the decision then it would be far easier to just use the foot, then we don’t have these ridiculous judgements on body parts etc. Make it faster too as the muppet in the van isn’t adding 3D lines.

 

[peter.evans]

As I said last night, in Holland they use a 15-20cm tolerance and unless it’s beyond that distance, the on field linesman’s decision stands. (So they’d both be disallowed last night)

I agree with a tolerance level but it should be in favour if the attacking team.

 

[Dubai Blue]

As I said last night, in Holland they use a 15-20cm tolerance and unless it’s beyond that distance, the on field linesman’s decision stands. (So they’d both be disallowed last night)

That certainly makes more sense. Would rather the linesmen weren't getting involved in ridiculously tight calls like that though!

 

[Sir peace frog]

head or feet in an offside then yes, but parts of the shirt is silly, also , this thread is going round and round, it was offside, the game ended well, move on.

 

[SWP's back]

I'm surprised that that the Dutch league has seen any goals with rules like that.

Maybe their lines people are less flag happy?

 

[LangleyBlue1970]

It'll get reviewed at the end of the season as some of it is plain silly, mainly the use of the arm or cuff or whatever you can't score with. It should, and hopefully will, go off the foot. That should make VAR look alot better than it is right now, and the offside law far easier to enforce.
Some of the comments on this thread though, you'd think we are the only ones who lose out.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Some of the comments on this thread though, you'd think we are the only ones who lose out.

Yep, these exact kind of decisions are happening every single week, often multiple times each week!

 

[SWP's back]

I agree with a tolerance level but it should be in favour if the attacking team.

Also agreed.

 

[SWP's back]

head or feet in an offside then yes, but parts of the shirt is silly, also , this thread is going round and round, it was offside, the game ended well, move on.

Head is a crap one to use as more often than not the striker is moving towards the goal and defended away so that would favour the defending team.

 

[SWP's back]

mainly the use of the arm or cuff or whatever you can't score with.

You can score with it though, that’s the problem.

 

[Sir peace frog]

Head is a crap one to use as more often than not the striker is moving towards the goal and defended away so that would favour the defending team.

but you can score with your head

 

[Dubai Blue]

Offside was originally to stop strikers standing on the keeper and gaining an advantage. 1cm or 20cm gains no advantage at all and therefore isn’t in the spirit of the law as was intended.

I was going to say something similar in my post. It's insane that we've somehow lost sight of this to the point where we're trying to forensically separate players to the nearest millimetre.

 

[SWP's back]

but you can score with your head

You can score with your upper arm.

 

[Tommy_Catons_Perm]

There’s no such thing as level now.

And too close to call means that, as before var and if var wasn’t there, it’s offside as the linesman flagged it offside. He disallowed the goal, not var. var just didn’t overturn that decision.

Ok. Amazing that there is no such thing as level now. It must be the only industry in the world where they can measure exactly and the tolerance is zero.

Even in aircraft manufacture nothing is exact. Tolerances are tight, say to within a couple of thou, but not exact. VAR is effectively claiming it works to tighter tolerances than used in aerospace. Its bollocks.

 

[Sir peace frog]

You can score with your upper arm.

I'm not very good at this debating thing ,haha

 

[Centurions]

Just change the bloody rule so that only feet are considered, it'll save multiple threads every bloody week. And yes, I'm aware they can't change rules mid season.


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