Olivia’s killer guilty - Minimum of 42 years

paulchapo said:
Tragic whatever happened but that door would have been slammed shut sharpish, mind you people often freeze when confronted with something violent or unusual.

Scousers are more rooted in the "Don't grass" culture than most other people I know and you'd think on that basis alone you'd keep your door shut and head down. Sadly it's done now.
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Some very horrible replies in this thread, esp Sutty66.

The police themselves say she struggled with the first man trying to get in and really fought to get the door shut, but he forced his way in, and that after that the gunman just got his fingertips in and forced it open. She fought them. Can people stop gossiping. She fought to keep the first man out in the first place, the family did not know any of them.

As for some posters acting like she must've seen them running towards her so why not shut it sooner - a beam of light from a door is much more visible to someone running towards it than that person dressed all in black would be to the mum in the doorway. And running from the side not front on, so fast, she wouldn't have known , but she fought.

Show some respect , have you seen the family photo. I know it's easy on this forum to think of people as feral, but the mum looks lovely, normal, kind, just a normal good family. My heart aches for them.
 
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kippaxkid74 said:
Some very horrible replies in this thread, esp Sutty66.

The police themselves say she struggled with the first man trying to get in and really fought to get the door shut, and that the gunman just got his fingertips in and forced it open. She fought them. Can people stop gossiping. She fought to keep the first man out in the first place, the family did not know any of them.

As for some posters acting like she must be seen them running towards her so why not shut it sooner - a beam of light from a door is much more visible to someone running towards it than that person dressed all in black would be to the mum in the doorway. And running from the side not front on, so fast, she wouldn't have known , but she fought.

Show some respect , have you seen the family photo. I know it's easy on this forum to think of people as feral, but the mum looks lovely, normal, kind, just a normal good family. My heart aches for them.
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Nobody I have seen has described her or her family as feral. I don't know that area of Liverpool, whether it's classed as good or bad, it matters not a jot. I do know however what it's like to be stigmatized for where you live, growing up in Benchill Wythenshawe. My mates house got robbed and the copper who came to investigate said he had no idea why decent people like them lived there. Like people could magic up a potload of money and move to Wilmslow or Alderly Edge. If I got a taxi home from a night out as soon as I said the address I had to pay before the driver would take me. It was a known fact that job applications with a Wythenshawe postcode often went straight in the bin. I once phoned the police as I watched the kids outside dismantling a car that nobody recognised. The policewoman said to me, "How do you know it's stolen, did you steal it?" I was home on leave from the navy at the time and she soon got a piece of my mind.

All is we are doing is speculating on what COULD have happened and in spite of the poor woman being naïve to open the door at 10pm.no blame is attached to her but to the scumbags who brought death to her house.
 
kippaxkid74 said:
There were two of them being chased, it would seem the one a bit further back saw it and rang them.


I wish people would stop with the insinuating.
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Insinuating what? One of them ran into the house, the other got the car, waltzed pass the injured mother and critically wounded child and dragged his mate off to hospital.
Its an absolutely horrific chain of events with the tragic loss of a young girls life. But the driver and his mate, it would appear, at this stage to be familiar with the address.
 
BlueTG said:
If you’re not in, or have never been in that situation yourself, it is impossible to say accurately how you would act.
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True, it all happens very fast. When confronted with something threatening or unusual people often freeze in shock. In disasters crowds often carry on as normal as their brains can't process they are in a life threatening situation. They look for someone to take the lead and if nobody is they carry on regardless, even though a part of their brain is screaming that something is wrong.
 
Gaylord du Bois said:
Insinuating what? One of them ran into the house, the other got the car, waltzed pass the injured mother and critically wounded child and dragged his mate off to hospital.
Its an absolutely horrific chain of events with the tragic loss of a young girls life. But the driver and his mate, it would appear, at this stage to be familiar with the address.
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You're insinuating the driver and his mate knew the family, you state that above. Despite the police saying a second man being was being chased and likely saw it and rang his mates. They knew the street name as they were in the next street, yet you say it means they knew the house. the poster Sutty even says she's likely his girlfriend ffs. I'm logging off. Carry on.
 
PinkFinal said:
I don't know why people have kids nowadays
Honestly
The world is an absolutely merciless place
It's driving people mental
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The future for tomorrow's generation is very bleak indeed. Actually it's not that great now. I guess the lucky ones with parents who own their own house may be okay, but I'm sure by the time they come to inherit that some law would have been passed that fucks that up.
 
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