Olivia’s killer guilty - Minimum of 42 years

theinvisibleman said:
What I can’t get my head round is that he refused to attend the hearing to be sentenced! How the hell does he get to choose wether or not to attend? He should have been dragged there kicking and screaming if necessary, what choice did he give that poor girl and her family? The world’s gone mad…..
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Why should prison officers/G4S be put in danger of serious injury trying to get him into the Dock?
Leave the scrote in his cell .......... and make sure the guards sing to him.
 
Blue Mist said:
Why should prison officers/G4S be put in danger of serious injury trying to get him into the Dock?
Leave the scrote in his cell .......... and make sure the guards sing to him.
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Will have been plenty of prison guards ready to force that **** to court, should have hogtied him and carried him in.
 
theinvisibleman said:
What I can’t get my head round is that he refused to attend the hearing to be sentenced! How the hell does he get to choose wether or not to attend? He should have been dragged there kicking and screaming if necessary, what choice did he give that poor girl and her family? The world’s gone mad…..
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There’s nothing new about that. It’s always been a prisoner’s right not to attend court. You can’t have people caged like captured animals in the court. however, I think it should have opened a gateway to a whole life order being on the table in a case like this. Think there should be a further sentence imposed for non-attendance at your sentencing hearing.

it’s spineless and disrespectful to the victim’s parents. Whatever you’ve convinced yourself you haven’t done, a little girl has died. Show some respect for her, and her family, and take your fucking punishment. Thought he was the Billy Big Bollocks. Now his life is over. Prison will break someone like him. He will be so old when he’s begging the parole board for freedom.
 
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I’m only County but our judges don’t take any crap.

I was at the Rolls Building where Andy Lonsdale was meant to turn up with proof of £1,000,000 to keep Hereford United afloat. He didn’t have it and didn’t turn up to court. The judge was furious and wound them up.

I enjoy my role as a legal clerk. It’s an honour to do my job.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
There’s nothing new about that. It’s always been a prisoner’s right not to attend court. You can’t have people caged like captured animals in the court. however, I think it should have opened a gateway to a whole life order being on the table in a case like this. Think there should be a further sentence imposed for non-attendance at your sentencing hearing.

it’s spineless and disrespectful to the victim’s parents. Whatever you’ve convinced yourself you haven’t done, a little girl has died. Show some respect for her, and her family, and take your fucking punishment. Thought he was the Billy Big Bollocks. Now his life is over. Prison will break someone like him. He will be so old when he’s begging the parole board for freedom.
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The judge was very keen to make it clear that while she disapproved of his no show, that it would in no way be affecting the sentence.

My first thought was that she made that clear to not leave any room for potential grounds for appealing the sentence.

From what I’ve read today, it is an option to drag them up for sentencing in handcuffs but it’s rarely enforced on grounds of safety.

As disrespectful as it is, I think it’s probably the wisest move.

Of course it’s always possible to change the law so it is an offence in itself but I think they’ve probably got more urgent things to be dealing with at the moment. Like why 129 out of 498 Crown Courts stood empty today in England and Wales. Despite a backlog of 60,000 cases.
 
Even other people living outside of the law gave information leading to his arrest and conviction which speaks volumes about how his actions sickened the criminal community that he belonged to. He won’t be missed.

Just a shame his sentences run concurrently. If they had run consecutively he would have never been up for parole and would have died in prison.

Still 42 years is a long time to spend behind bars with a target on your back.

He’ll be lucky to ever get out at all.
 
Stephen230 said:
Of course it’s always possible to change the law so it is an offence in itself but I think they’ve probably got more urgent things to be dealing with at the moment. Like why 129 out of 498 Crown Courts stood empty today in England and Wales. Despite a backlog of 60,000 cases.
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There aren’t even close to 498 crown courts, unless you mean the individual courtrooms possibly. Even then I’m not sure how you’d evaluate it. Some courts have overspill courts, such as Wolverhampton. And then there are others that are only used periodically like Coventry. Would need to understand how that figure was arrived at before forming any meaningful view.
 
tolmie's hairdoo said:
If that was my poor child, I would kill his immediate family one by one.

Not even think twice about it, let him marinate on that for 42 years.

Rage and grief is a powerful thing. All the better if they couldn't prove who did it.
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I understand the Merseyside mentality. The family will be frozen out and unable to show their collective faces anywhere.

Even some of the most disgusting cunts imaginable know a line was crossed with the murder of a 9 year old. Had he murdered the intended target then he’d never have been found.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
There aren’t even close to 498 crown courts, unless you mean the individual courtrooms possibly. Even then I’m not sure how you’d evaluate it. Some courts have overspill courts, such as Wolverhampton. And then there are others that are only used periodically like Coventry. Would need to understand how that figure was arrived at before forming any meaningful view.
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There is automated stat. gathering that is published each day. I wouldn’t have any idea about the ins and outs that you mention. But I’ve never seen anyone in the profession query its accuracy, so assume it’s a fair reflection.

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mr t said:
Even other people living outside of the law gave information leading to his arrest and conviction which speaks volumes about how his actions sickened the criminal community that he belonged to. He won’t be missed.

Just a shame his sentences run concurrently. If they had run consecutively he would have never been up for parole and would have died in prison.

Still 42 years is a long time to spend behind bars with a target on your back.

He’ll be lucky to ever get out at all.
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He might establish himself as the procurer of drugs for the inmates, given his connections.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
There aren’t even close to 498 crown courts, unless you mean the individual courtrooms possibly. Even then I’m not sure how you’d evaluate it. Some courts have overspill courts, such as Wolverhampton. And then there are others that are only used periodically like Coventry. Would need to understand how that figure was arrived at before forming any meaningful view.
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The Secret Barrister gives you all you need to understand why so many courts aren't sitting and the current backlog of cases.
 
theinvisibleman said:
What I can’t get my head round is that he refused to attend the hearing to be sentenced! How the hell does he get to choose wether or not to attend? He should have been dragged there kicking and screaming if necessary, what choice did he give that poor girl and her family? The world’s gone mad…..
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Just change or make a new law. If you refuse to attend your sentence is automatically doubled with no reduction for good behaviour and no parole.
 
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