One Game at a Time

[sweep]

You would have a valid point about rest if Roberto actually rested them, but to name them on the bench, and to use them, tends to imply, that he did not think they needed a rest, but that he preferred to save them for Liverpool game.

You're not seriously saying you think playing part of a game equates the same amount of fatigue and recovery time as playing a full game are you?

didnt realise you had to play full 90 minutes to run the risk of injury to "tired" muscles / limbs.
FFS, of course it doesnt, but are you seriously suggesting that Roberto always intended to give the 3 subs used game time? Of course not, he thought he could win the game with the 11 he started with, he realised he was wrong, and changed it.

it was a tactical gamble, that backfired on this occasion. the decision wasnt made out of a physical necessity to rest players, if it was, why use them?

It may seem radical, but I'm guessing he had them on the bench hoping not to use them but in the knowledge that he may have to if things weren't going well. As it is Silva and Aguero played half a game each, while not ideal, they will be available to play at least some part tomorrow, if they'd played the full game yesterday there's no way they'd be at their best for Liverpool.

 

[trublue55]

You're not seriously saying you think playing part of a game equates the same amount of fatigue and recovery time as playing a full game are you?

didnt realise you had to play full 90 minutes to run the risk of injury to "tired" muscles / limbs.
FFS, of course it doesnt, but are you seriously suggesting that Roberto always intended to give the 3 subs used game time? Of course not, he thought he could win the game with the 11 he started with, he realised he was wrong, and changed it.

it was a tactical gamble, that backfired on this occasion. the decision wasnt made out of a physical necessity to rest players, if it was, why use them?

Or another way of putting it, the players who got taken off simply weren't performing as he expected them to. It's not about realising he was wrong, that sounds ridiculously patronising from you.

If you thought the starting XI yesterday wasn't good enough to beat them then I really don't know what to say to you. Mancini simply had to react during the game because they weren't performing well enough on the day and he wanted the win.

Still curious as to why you had to start an identical thread on this as well.

With regard to the three substitutions, i think, admittedly only my opinion, that Roberto realised fairly early one that NDJ defensive qualities were not really needed - tactical change for Aguero. Silva for Nasri, similar type player swap but most would think Silva would / should be better option. Richards for Kolarov, obviously to give greater attacking threat based on speed and heading ability.

Without being pedantic, the starting 11 yesterday wasnt good enough to beat them, It should have been but WASNT!,

Lastly, believe it or not, when i started this thread, the other thread which you are referring to, must have suffered a lull in activity, and wasnt near the top, (or even on the front page, i honestly didnt notice it), and more to the point i had not seen it the previous night, as i had been unable to get on the forum, as the server seemed to be in meltdown. I dont start threads to attention seek, in truth hardly post at all, and if any mod wants to merge with the other thread, by all means please do

 

[blueprint]

Why are we still circumlocuting?

Surely everybody sees the benefits of rotation.
Its who we rotate in thats should be addressed.

Yes we know dJ is fit & should be in top shape or else he won't be in the squad.
But was he the right player to slot in for the match against a team that parked their double decker?

Remember this we have the SQUAD DEPTH.

Please see my previous posts regarding the fallout and damaging effects of not continuing with the style of football we have parlayed ever since we recruited the likes of Aguero, Nasri, Clichy et al.

When you saddled or yoked our thoroughbreds with plowhorses you are basically restraining them or making them 'underperform' so to speak. Or in common parlance do you expect a team to take 300 mph top flight or cruise at 120 mph when a member of the team can only plow fully at max of 20 mph?


I believe most of you can't see the 'woods for the trees' in this INSTANCE!

 

[trublue55]

I agree we are going round in circles, and i`ll let it drop, as i start work at 3.30 and need some sleep, tomorrow is a long day, wont get home til 1.30, and then only get 2 hours sleep.

Im sorry, but i dont see the benefits of rotation for rotations sake. If Roberto is saying the players he rested are tired, and could not give of their best twice in 48 hours, then he shouldnt name them as subs, and ultimately use them. He thought the starting 11 was good enough to win the game, it should have been, it wasnt.

I still think basically, not starting your best available 11 (subject to injuries / fitness, and that includes tiredness and the need to rest) is playing with fire, and we got our fingers burnt. Would have much preferred to start our best 11 (hopefully get the job done) and win, and then think about recovery, fitness and availability for Liverpool.

This is not an opinion grounded in hindsight, ive felt this way when other changes ive mentioned earlier, have happened earlier in the season, even though on those occasions , we got away with it.

In my opinion, like i said in the title thread

One game at a time

 

[sweep]

I agree we are going round in circles, and i`ll let it drop, as i start work at 3.30 and need some sleep, tomorrow is a long day, wont get home til 1.30, and then only get 2 hours sleep.

Im sorry, but i dont see the benefits of rotation for rotations sake. If Roberto is saying the players he rested are tired, and could not give of their best twice in 48 hours, then he shouldnt name them as subs, and ultimately use them. He thought the starting 11 was good enough to win the game, it should have been, it wasnt.

I still think basically, not starting your best available 11 (subject to injuries / fitness, and that includes tiredness and the need to rest) is playing with fire, and we got our fingers burnt. Would have much preferred to start our best 11 (hopefully get the job done) and win, and then think about recovery, fitness and availability for Liverpool.

This is not an opinion grounded in hindsight, ive felt this way when other changes ive mentioned earlier, have happened earlier in the season, even though on those occasions , we got away with it.

In my opinion, like i said in the title thread

One game at a time

Well we've 'got away with it' rather a lot then considering we've probably only played what most regard as our best eleven once or twice this season, that suggests rotation works, regardless of whether or not you get it.

 

[Blue Tooth]

This time last season we couldn't rotate due to injuries and it cost us...he knows what he is doing...yesterday was about underperformance and he said as much post match...move on...Pool up next.

 

[trublue55]

I agree we are going round in circles, and i`ll let it drop, as i start work at 3.30 and need some sleep, tomorrow is a long day, wont get home til 1.30, and then only get 2 hours sleep.

Im sorry, but i dont see the benefits of rotation for rotations sake. If Roberto is saying the players he rested are tired, and could not give of their best twice in 48 hours, then he shouldnt name them as subs, and ultimately use them. He thought the starting 11 was good enough to win the game, it should have been, it wasnt.

I still think basically, not starting your best available 11 (subject to injuries / fitness, and that includes tiredness and the need to rest) is playing with fire, and we got our fingers burnt. Would have much preferred to start our best 11 (hopefully get the job done) and win, and then think about recovery, fitness and availability for Liverpool.

This is not an opinion grounded in hindsight, ive felt this way when other changes ive mentioned earlier, have happened earlier in the season, even though on those occasions , we got away with it.

In my opinion, like i said in the title thread

One game at a time

Well we've 'got away with it' rather a lot then considering we've probably only played what most regard as our best eleven once or twice this season, that suggests rotation works, regardless of whether or not you get it.

grrrrrrrrrrrr

of course it works, apart from when it doesnt!, and even if it works, it doesnt follow that it was necessarily correct, Prime example Dzeko dropped / rotated / rested after 4 goal showing against Spurs, unused sub for next match at home to Wigan, (must have done his confidence a power of good!

ps even though it should have, it sure as hell didnt work yesterday

 

[Amadeus20]

If we dont win tomorrow, its confirmed that our squad is overrated.