Open Letter on Season Tickets and Pricing | Club announce price freeze on "general admission season tickets & PL match tickets" for next season (p163)

Damocles said:
This isn't technically correct. City had a Living Wage policy for many years before Covid including all of their staff.

Here is the confusion. There is a company called the Living Wage Foundation who you can pay to "accredit" you as a Living Wage employer. They require a bunch of steps in terms of how subcontractor staff and others are paid. City already had agreements with subcontractors, including the regional agreements that required City to use local companies in the construction of the ground and training centres and offices. City couldn't force these contracts to pay their staff the Living Wage across the board. Hence they were not certified. However all direct employees of City had been getting paid the Living Wage for years even without this accreditation and every contract renegotiation that didn't require the locality clause included a Living Wage from subcontractors.

I've actually posted about this a few times. The Living Wage thing is a bit of a scam, as the companies who charge for the accreditation will basically tell the world that you refused to pay the Living Wage if you don't buy into their programme no matter what you pay. They claim to be the arbiters of this.
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This is absolutely correct. We discussed it at City Matters.
 
urban genie said:
tbf I have been away in europe on weekends and took in a local game.

A benfica fan getting a ticket to watch city if he is on holiday is different to an away fan for that game being in the home end
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I agree with this. I don't even have a problem with away fans if they keep a low profile. Lots of us have done this in our desire to watch City.

But we need to separate away fans from people who have just come to watch a game without an allegiance to either team.
 
urban genie said:
tbf I have been away in europe on weekends and took in a local game.

A benfica fan getting a ticket to watch city if he is on holiday is different to an away fan for that game being in the home end
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I'm not arsed that a Benfica fan has a ticket. Him being allowed to keep a sign and parading it pitchside is a fucking joke
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
This is absolutely correct. We discussed it at City Matters.
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If the club isn't paying every worker doing work for it a living wage then they are not a living wage employer regardless of contract status. It's a very convenient option out to say that but why couldn't they ensure their contractors were paying it as part of the deal? Of course they could do this.

Why the oversight when getting the contractors in?
 
CNev237930 said:
If the club isn't paying every worker doing work for it a living wage then they are not a living wage employer regardless of contract status. It's a very convenient option out to say that but why couldn't they ensure their contractors were paying it as part of the deal? Of course they could do this.

Why the oversight when getting the contractors in?
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Of course we put that point to the club but the response was that they were tied into contracts and couldn't force a third party to do anything outside the terms of the contract. The best outcome was that City could insist on it for any contract up for review or renewal.
 
I know we are all (or, mostly all) disappointed at the boardroom’s lack of communication and openness about recent fan groups asking for meetings and more open dialogue around ticket prices for next season, as well as other things with regards to the future of ticketing and the new NSL2.

Another price rise will be a massive kick in the teeth after Liverpool, Tottenham and West Ham have announced they will be freezing prices for next season (at least). I think the club’s silence is because they have already decided they are putting prices up and in their eyes there’s no point in meeting with us or being open with their dialogue because it’s too late and that’s that.

But I don’t want us to all feel so brow beaten by the club that too many ditch their season tickets or even just Cup Schemes.

I know that every price rise each year hits a certain number of fans so hard that it takes them over their threshold and they feel like they have to give up their tickets or come out of Cup Schemes. But I’m emploring everyone to rethink this sort of measure because once you give it up, I doubt it’s ever going to be available to you again.

I think we need to start thinking about doing things like sharing season tickets with Family & Friends so you can share the price of tickets, or you have the ST for PL games but allow F&F to go to the Cup games on your ticket etc. so we have as many proper fans in the ground as we can, but not just having the burden of massive ticket prices to pay for on our own. And it’s much better to Transfer tickets to F&F than relist it to the club because the club often just sell it to random daytrippers who may or may not be City fans, they aren’t arsed.

We can’t let the club just keep washing their hands of us because it’s diluting the stands too much. I know they don’t care about loyal long-standing, mainly local but not always local, core supporters anymore, but we are more important to the team than any other fans in the world and we need to be in that stadium.

So, Blues, please let’s find ways we can keep our tickets so we can keep attending!

All ideas welcome…
 
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Psychedelic Casual said:
I know we are all (or, mostly all) disappointed at the boardroom’s lack of communication and openness about recent fan groups asking for meetings and more open dialogue around ticket prices for next season, as well as other things with regards to the future of ticketing and the new NSL2.

Another price rise will be a massive kick in the teeth after Liverpool, Tottenham and West Ham have announced they will be freezing prices for next season (at least). I think the club’s silence is because they have already decided they are putting prices up and in their eyes there’s no point in meeting with us or being open with their dialogue because it’s too late and that’s that.

But I don’t want us to all feel so brow beaten by the club that too many ditch their season tickets or even just Cup Schemes.

I know, for a number of fans, that every price rise each year hits a certain number of fans so hard that it takes them over their threshold and they feel like they have to give up their tickets or come out of Cup Schemes. But I’m emploring everyone to rethink this sort of measure because once you give it up, I doubt it’s ever going to be available to you again.

I think we need to start thinking about doing things like sharing season tickets with Family & Friends so you can share the price of tickets, or you have the ST for PL games but allow F&F to go to the Cup games on your ticket etc. so we have as many proper fans in the ground as we can, but not just having the burden of massive ticket prices to pay for on our own. And it’s much better to Transfer tickets to F&F than relish it to the club because the club often just sell it to random daytrippers who may or may not be City fans, they aren’t arsed.

We can’t let the club just keep washing their hands of us because it’s diluting the stands too much. I know they don’t care about loyal long-standing, mainly local but not always local, core supporters anymore, but we are more important to the team than any other fans in the world and we need to be in that stadium.

So, Blues, please let’s find ways we can keep our tickets so we can keep attending!

All ideas welcome…
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I get the feeling that if fans don't give them up the club will find ways of just taking them anyway.

There was gossip based on a bit of truth on Saturday that some long term fans had already been suspended and that more tourists will get hold of their seats on a match by match basis.

If you are genuinely a blue it should be other blues you support not some entity trying to remove traditional match goers for the benefit of iphone club bag toting usurpers.
 
We are unfortunately in a world where the clubs don't care.

Take United for example. They have been "protesting" for years. Green and gold campaigns, even breaking into the ground and getting a league game postponed. And the club are still risimg the price of tickets.

Our success over the last 15 years has propelled us onto the world stage as in we are now "attractive". People want to be associated with success and we have provided that fix for them. Years ago we locals supported the club through good AND bad times.

Now we provide mainly good times it's easy for a tourist or a day tripper to choose the club as a day out and one which will more than likely (forget this season) provide them with an excitable experience.

As long as that demand Is still there the club will charge what they can to extort every pound from every ticket.

They will only realise the demise of their decision, if and when the trophies dry up and the top players stop playing for us. Which won't be anytime soon.
 
BlueMonkey79 said:
We are unfortunately in a world where the clubs don't care.

Take United for example. They have been "protesting" for years. Green and gold campaigns, even breaking into the ground and getting a league game postponed. And the club are still risimg the price of tickets.

Our success over the last 15 years has propelled us onto the world stage as in we are now "attractive". People want to be associated with success and we have provided that fix for them. Years ago we locals supported the club through good AND bad times.

Now we provide mainly good times it's easy for a tourist or a day tripper to choose the club as a day out and one which will more than likely (forget this season) provide them with an excitable experience.

As long as that demand Is still there the club will charge what they can to extort every pound from every ticket.

They will only realise the demise of their decision, if and when the trophies dry up and the top players stop playing for us. Which won't be anytime soon.
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I agree.

My only hope is that our owners are not the Glazers although I suspect its just me being a half full guy.
 
Man U season card prices up 5% plus more corporate seats replacing regulars. Price freeze on U16.
 

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Psychedelic Casual said:
The Glazers froze ST prices at the Swamp for 11 of the previous 12 years.
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Out of interest do you know how their ticket prices compare with ours - despite the freeze? A guy in my local insists his ST has remained more expensive than mine & I’m in East Level 2
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
All ideas welcome…
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You make a good and reasonable point.

My counter argument is that we firebomb the Director's box with a target towards Ferran Soriano and then personally dispatch all of his minions who knowingly lied to us, including Danny Wilson.

Admittedly this is an extreme position. But I'd argue that these shitehawks telling me that I need to choose between bringing my lad or my daughter to a game is also extremism.

Got to give as good as you get, etc
 
CC1 said:
Out of interest do you know how their ticket prices compare with ours - despite the freeze? A guy in my local insists his ST has remained more expensive than mine & I’m in East Level 2
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In that time we’ve had 10 price rises, my ticket went from half the price of the equivalent at the Swamp to more expensive.

This was for this season (they’ve just announced a 5% increase today):

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My seat at City is £930, my equivalent seat the the Swamp is £874. 12 years ago I think my seat was £500
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
In that time we’ve had 10 price rises, my ticket went from half the price of the equivalent at the Swamp to more expensive.

This was for this season (they’ve just announced a 5% increase today):

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My seat at City is £930, my equivalent seat the the Swamp is £874. 12 years ago I think my seat was £500
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In 2008, my seat was £365
 
If prices go up for next season, me & the lad will just be going to the minimum required amount of matches and then sacrifice the rest. Idea being that if I attend the 14 required matches but sacrifice the united, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs & Chelsea matches and don't resell my tickets, my seat remains empty when the club would normally make a profit.
 
Quinny851 said:
If prices go up for next season, me & the lad will just be going to the minimum required amount of matches and then sacrifice the rest. Idea being that if I attend the 14 required matches but sacrifice the united, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs & Chelsea matches and don't resell my tickets, my seat remains empty when the club would normally make a profit.
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Don’t announce that on here, they’ll change the criteria!
 
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