Open Letter on Season Tickets and Pricing | Club announce price freeze on "general admission season tickets & PL match tickets" for next season (p163)

Damocles said:
Again, I feel like some people aren't used to negotiating with people. They didn't come with a 2.8% rise expecting to leave with a 2.8% rise. They came in with a wild idea that they knew they could "benevolently acquiesce" on. City walked out with exactly or better than they wanted. Your opening salvo is not what you want in these situations, it's a ridiculous idea that you will abandon but you have to start as high as you can to get knocked down and appear to have "lost".
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I had contact with Alex a couple of months ago and he was going to ask
I'm following up my request
It wasn't necessarily a question to be tabled at this meeting
 
Beaker said:
Correct, and whatever the match day ticket prices in a particular section are, season ticket holders should get a circa 25% reduction. So
£500-£700 for adults
£350-£550 for OAP’s
£200-£250 for kids
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Liverpool's prices are:
Adult: £713-£904
O-65's: £534.75-£678
Young Adults: £356.50-£452
Junior: £165 across the board.
 
paulchapo said:
Your information proves this is far from over. Right now the club will be licking it's wounds and plotting how to ensure they tighten the ship and ensure future protests have a negligible effect.
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And they will be working out how they can make the lost revenue back. I would put money on it that will be by giving more tickets to agencies and hospitality at marked up prices. We need to get some of these leeches out of our club - for me that includes Soriano, he won’t stop until traditional supporters are the minority on match days.
 
I think what this has shown is that we as fans can and do have a voice. For so many years now we’ve not had any group/s standing up for our fans and I think we might finally have that.

I believe this should be the start of something involving our fans. We shouldn’t just think it’s over though, as it’s clearly not with disgusting match day prices or the north stand.

It’s easier said then done, but I think those fan groups who did such a good job, should come together and form a supporters trust. We could then have one collective voice.
 
Alex - City Matters said:
Apologies that I haven't been able to post earlier on the thread, particularly after today's news. It has been a long few days.

As Colin says above, the Club originally came in with a proposed increased aligned with CPI. They relented on this at last night's meeting. As far as I am aware, that's the first time that the Club have ever done so on a proposed price increase.

Since October, we have made it clear that our request was for season ticket prices to be reduced, or frozen at a bare minimum. That was supported by the several other fan groups that signed the open letter we published in February.

That said, the conversation is far from over. I don't consider the matchday pricing freeze to be a win, as such, given that they already outweighs the amounts charged at other clubs - let alone the prices for juniors. And there are a wide range of other issues to work on, such as the all games on sale policy.

Now clearly, I am not going to be in the room moving forward as my time on City Matters is up. But given that I / we haven't been able to achieve even a price freeze in recent seasons, it is slightly heartening to have achieved that at the end. And the effort of City Matters, wider fan groups and the supporter base at large has been critical in that process.
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Speaking as someone who does nothing at all for his fellow supporters apart from posting the odd frivolous comment on here and joining in the singing when anybody around me can be arsed to start it, a huge thank you from me for all your efforts and have a well deserved break from it all.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
This is absolutely true. Even after the Leicester protest the club originally came to the table at the meeting with City Matters last night with an initial proposal of a 2.8% average increase.

Un-fucking-believable.
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It’s absolutely ridiculous. The club is just about pure greed at the minute. There complete blind to what’s going on and how angry fans are
 
Damocles said:
Again, I feel like some people aren't used to negotiating with people. They didn't come with a 2.8% rise expecting to leave with a 2.8% rise. They came in with a wild idea that they knew they could "benevolently acquiesce" on. City walked out with exactly or better than they wanted. Your opening salvo is not what you want in these situations, it's a ridiculous idea that you will abandon but you have to start as high as you can to get knocked down and appear to have "lost".
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By that same token, we went in asking for a price freeze and came out with a price freeze.

As Alex said, there's still plenty to discuss with the club over the next few weeks so we're a long way from winners and losers. But it's important to acknowledge the support we've received so far through things like the 9 minure boycott. It certainly helps our discussions with the club.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Liverpool's prices are:
Adult: £713-£904
O-65's: £534.75-£678
Young Adults: £356.50-£452
Junior: £165 across the board.
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Aside from a few areas at the back of SS3 and in the North Stand, their adult season tickets are broadly comparable to ours. Their junior season tickets and all of their matchday tickets shit all over ours however. I understand they have all of the same issues with reselling sites as we have, they're chasing corporate, and their percentage of season ticket holders is low, but we're attempting to charge significantly more than Liverpool in so many areas, despite the fact that we don't have the same size fanbase.
 
Alex - City Matters said:
Apologies that I haven't been able to post earlier on the thread, particularly after today's news. It has been a long few days.

As Colin says above, the Club originally came in with a proposed increased aligned with CPI. They relented on this at last night's meeting. As far as I am aware, that's the first time that the Club have ever done so on a proposed price increase.

Since October, we have made it clear that our request was for season ticket prices to be reduced, or frozen at a bare minimum. That was supported by the several other fan groups that signed the open letter we published in February.

That said, the conversation is far from over. I don't consider the matchday pricing freeze to be a win, as such, given that they already outweighs the amounts charged at other clubs - let alone the prices for juniors. And there are a wide range of other issues to work on, such as the all games on sale policy.

Now clearly, I am not going to be in the room moving forward as my time on City Matters is up. But given that I / we haven't been able to achieve even a price freeze in recent seasons, it is slightly heartening to have achieved that at the end. And the effort of City Matters, wider fan groups and the supporter base at large has been critical in that process.
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You’ve done a brilliant job mate. You’ve properly stood up for our fans. I don’t want to speak for you, but I honestly think you should be involved with some of these other fan groups and continue to speak up for us. You have a lot of respect and influence amongst the fan base in my opinion.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
It’s absolutely ridiculous. The club is just about pure greed at the minute. There complete blind to what’s going on and how angry fans are
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They can see exactly how angry fans are. And, the numbers show, they’re not very angry. It’s not until they see vast, vast swathes of empty seats, aligned to a full-on German-fan-scale boycott that they’d be remotely arsed. Until then, (financially) rinse and repeat. And it’s the same for virtually every prem club.
 
Alex - City Matters said:
Apologies that I haven't been able to post earlier on the thread, particularly after today's news. It has been a long few days.

As Colin says above, the Club originally came in with a proposed increased aligned with CPI. They relented on this at last night's meeting. As far as I am aware, that's the first time that the Club have ever done so on a proposed price increase.

Since October, we have made it clear that our request was for season ticket prices to be reduced, or frozen at a bare minimum. That was supported by the several other fan groups that signed the open letter we published in February.

That said, the conversation is far from over. I don't consider the matchday pricing freeze to be a win, as such, given that they already outweighs the amounts charged at other clubs - let alone the prices for juniors. And there are a wide range of other issues to work on, such as the all games on sale policy.

Now clearly, I am not going to be in the room moving forward as my time on City Matters is up. But given that I / we haven't been able to achieve even a price freeze in recent seasons, it is slightly heartening to have achieved that at the end. And the effort of City Matters, wider fan groups and the supporter base at large has been critical in that process.
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Well done mate - always fighting for fans and trying your very best. Thanks for all that you've done and now after a little break - time to set up a proper Supporters Trust!
 
Damocles said:
Again, I feel like some people aren't used to negotiating with people. They didn't come with a 2.8% rise expecting to leave with a 2.8% rise. They came in with a wild idea that they knew they could "benevolently acquiesce" on. City walked out with exactly or better than they wanted. Your opening salvo is not what you want in these situations, it's a ridiculous idea that you will abandon but you have to start as high as you can to get knocked down and appear to have "lost".
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It's not really a negotiation though is it? City Matters haven't gone in and said that thousands of season ticket holders won't renew if prices go up. My experience was that the club always does what it wants, but sometimes, if they're really a bit stuck, they'll ask City Matters for help in finding a solution.

You could well be correct however in your belief that the club always intended to freeze prices but didn't want to look like the protest had an impact. But that, to me, demonstrates their ineptitude and inability to read the room.

Having said they were originally proposing a small increase, despite all the noise, they look pretty bad. The smart way to do it would be to go in and say, straight away, we've heard what fans are saying and we've decided to freeze prices. After all, in a genuine negotiation you rarely agree to something you're 100% unhappy about.

It may be that the club doesn't care about the optics, and is planning a 5.6% increase next season. It may be that they were keen to try to show the protests hadn't frightened them. Who knows.

It's also shown up their lack of long-term thinking. It's a bit like the Emperor's new clothes in some ways. We've been prepared to pay a little bit more to see the team play scintillating football and lift trophies over FOMO. But now we may well not win anything, and are frankly quite boring to watch, the absurdity of our pricing is suddenly laid bare.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
This is absolutely true. Even after the Leicester protest the club originally came to the table at the meeting with City Matters last night with an initial proposal of a 2.8% average increase.

Un-fucking-believable.
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That’s fucking disgusting.

Doesn’t feel like my club anymore.

But I won’t give up because I was here before them and I’ll be here after them too.
 
Having had some time to mull over the freeze, I’m obviously happy with the win, although I feel like there’s a bigger, harder fight ahead.

The club’s policy has always been to divide and conquer.

When they increase prices, they increase some tickets by more than others. They know that the angry, vocal fans will have less impact because the other half are pacified with their lower rise.

That’s exactly what they’ve done here. Us seasoncard holders got what we wanted. It’s incredibly important that we continue to push the club so our fellow fans can:

- get traditional seasoncards
- stop paying £150 extra if they choose flexigold
- have access to affordable match day tickets
- sit safely in the home sections without away fans having free access to tickets on third party reseller sites.

We can get these concessions if we maintain pressure but it’s a big ask for the majority of SC holders now who could become more passive after the freeze.
 
Manchester33 said:
Having had some time to mull over the freeze, I’m obviously happy with the win, although I feel like there’s a bigger, harder fight ahead.

The club’s policy has always been to divide and conquer.

When they increase prices, they increase some tickets by more than others. They know that the angry, vocal fans will have less impact because the other half are pacified with their lower rise.

That’s exactly what they’ve done here. Us seasoncard holders got what we wanted. It’s incredibly important that we continue to push the club so our fellow fans can:

- get traditional seasoncards
- stop paying £150 extra if they choose flexigold
- have access to affordable match day tickets
- sit safely in the home sections without away fans having free access to tickets on third party reseller sites.

We can get these concessions if we maintain pressure but it’s a big ask for the majority of SC holders now who could become more passive after the freeze.
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It's not what I wanted to be fair..I was happy to have an increase on my season ticket price if they cut the cost of match day tickets.
They really need to lower the price of match tickets especially for families and kids..it's ridiculous what they charge.
And yes I didn't join in the protest as I didn't think the club would do anything about lowering ticket prices for non season tickets.
Kids tickets should be £15 and adults much less than they charge now..£61 for a league game is ridiculous in my opinion.
 
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