Osama Bin Laden is dead.

[kronkonite]

just had a pint with osama he reckons
the war on imperialism is going spiffingly

 

[ElanJo]

and the innocent victims of US foreign policy? Can they not cheer?

Objectively speaking, probability suggests that most of the victims of 9/11 weren't innocent, at least not if democracy means anything. If you vote for a certain foreign policy I don't think you can claim to be innocent when the victims of your vote attack you or celebrate your demise. I don't expect this point to be emotionally popular but someone has to make it. I have a massive amount of sympathy for those who did not support such policies who are now dead or left grieving. It makes my blood boil.

I'm wondering what insults are going to be thrown at you now. I await with intrigue.

Say a prayer for me :(

pmsl! Brilliant.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

I am talking about the innocent victims of 9/11, not the US government.

and the innocent victims of US foreign policy? Can they not cheer?

Objectively speaking, probability suggests that most of the victims of 9/11 weren't innocent, at least not if democracy means anything. If you vote for a certain foreign policy I don't think you can claim to be innocent when the victims of your vote attack you or celebrate your demise. I don't expect this point to be emotionally popular but someone has to make it. I have a massive amount of sympathy for those who did not support such policies who are now dead or left grieving. It makes my blood boil.

I see what you're saying but I don't think you've quite...well firstly America is hardly that democratic when it's essentially democrats v republicans and no real chance for anyone else. Secondly none of the American people apart from the security officials etc. have any say over America's foreign policy. There's always a counter-argument, some very genuine, but really I just think you're a bit harsh to, and I don't want to misconstrue this, suggest that the people who died in 9/11 deserved it if they voted republican, because they weren't innocent. To me, the average man doesn't have any say over the issue, so I disagree with you there, but I understand from the point of view that innocent people all over the world die at the hands of the Americans, it does indeed work both ways, but I tend to treat civilians as innocent in this argument, just because governmental control is so detached from the people.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I am talking about the innocent victims of 9/11, not the US government.

and the innocent victims of US foreign policy? Can they not cheer?

Objectively speaking, probability suggests that most of the victims of 9/11 weren't innocent, at least not if democracy means anything. If you vote for a certain foreign policy I don't think you can claim to be innocent when the victims of your vote attack you or celebrate your demise. I don't expect this point to be emotionally popular but someone has to make it. I have a massive amount of sympathy for those who did not support such policies who are now dead or left grieving. It makes my blood boil.

Ok I'll bite.

By that logic Iraqis who supported (even tacitly) Sadam Hussien who were victims of US bombings were more deserving of death and destruction than those that didn't.

A kind of thought crime if you will.

 

[Chevelle]

http://www.rumsfeld.com/about//url][urlhttp://www.serendipity.li/iraqwar/b-liar.htm so you belive him ??? hahahahaha

Dinner time eat up...http://www.commondreams.org/views02...m sure they would be keen to take control of.

 

[jamiegrimble]

 

[Mustard Dave]

 

[BulgarianPride]

Change "Great shot, Sir" to "Boom, Head-shot" :)

 

[ElanJo]

and the innocent victims of US foreign policy? Can they not cheer?

Objectively speaking, probability suggests that most of the victims of 9/11 weren't innocent, at least not if democracy means anything. If you vote for a certain foreign policy I don't think you can claim to be innocent when the victims of your vote attack you or celebrate your demise. I don't expect this point to be emotionally popular but someone has to make it. I have a massive amount of sympathy for those who did not support such policies who are now dead or left grieving. It makes my blood boil.

Ok I'll bite.

By that logic Iraqis who supported (even tacitly) Sadam Hussien who were victims of US bombings were more deserving of death and destruction than those that didn't.

A kind of thought crime if you will.

You'll bite? It isn't a joke but you know that.

If you believe in thought crime then perhaps but that'd be a logic of your own, not mine.
A vote is an action.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Ok I'll bite.

By that logic Iraqis who supported (even tacitly) Sadam Hussien who were victims of US bombings were more deserving of death and destruction than those that didn't.

A kind of thought crime if you will.

You'll bite? It isn't a joke but you know that.

If you believe in thought crime then perhaps but that'd be a logic of your own, not mine.
A vote is an action.

So just so I'm clear what your idea of logic is:

What about people who supported American foreign policy but didn't vote?

What about people who voted (for Bush presumably) but didn't really know what his foreign policy was but he seemed like a nice boy?

Your view of people's motivations for voting is alarmingly simplistic. Especially as I recall George W Bush advocating a less interventionalist foreign policy in his election speeches in 2000. Does that make people who voted for him a little more 'innocent'?