Osama Bin Laden is dead.

[Anonymous]

3,000 innocent people were unarmed on 9/11

Bin Laden didn't pause to think about murdering them

who gives a shit whether Bin Laden was armed or not

shame he couldn't have been tortured before he was slotted though

Number of unarmed civilians killed in the war in Iraq.

Over 100,000.

Kind of tips the scales of justice doesn't it...

 

[SWP's back]

Afraid no Bigga my old chum. I seriously dislike organised religion in all its forms.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of organised religion, myself. However, even I recognise that Usama Bin Laden used religion for a means to an end. He wasn't remotely serious when he did things 'in the name of Allah'.

Pure bullsh*t. What he did do was appeal to the weaker minded sheep of Human Beings(of which there are many regardless of religion, race or creed) and brainwashed them to believe in a 'higher cause'.

He could have simply set in motion the fact that he hated the tentacles of America spreading over the world and wanted it to stop(ironically, he'd have found BETTER allies, this way), much as the Somali pirates making a (flippant) stance on international ship paying for the right to use their waters.

In both cases a stance of reason would have been listened to.

I was not just talking about Islam and OBL. My post referred to "this mess" and the Christian Crusades were not exactly a peaceful starting point.<br /><br />-- Wed May 04, 2011 1:29 pm --<br /><br />

http://gawker.com/#!5510094/wikilea...ively-that-innocent-people-get-killed-in-wars

yeah but which one do you mean?

Show me evidence of any sort where Bush demanded that or suggested that innocents should be targetted. I am talking about orders not some yank country hicks with itchy trigger fingers.

 

[Anonymous]

Show me evidence of any sort where Bush demanded that or suggested that innocents should be targetted. I am talking about orders not some yank country hicks with itchy trigger fingers.

Surely as Commander in Chief he is ultimately responsible for any action taken by troops on his watch - and the sheer scale of civilian casualties in Iraq, along with the inhumane treatment of supposed POW's plus the illegal renditioning of citizens of Canada, Italy, et al would suggest that whether Bush demanded anything or not - he was so grossly negligent that he himself should be up on war crimes charges...

 

[SWP's back]

It strikes me that the people most dismayed by this news are Islamist fascists, Leftist appeasers of said fascism and Tea Party nutters watching their 2012 US election hopes vanishing!

Yes, anybody with a different view from yours must fit into one of those categories. How easy it must be for you to just place any alternative opinions into easily placed boxes like this. I'm utterly ashamed at how many people are willing to forgo their principles at the first sign of a challenge to them.

They are called principles because they are hard to follow, not because they are easy.

"I'm against the death penalty, but Bin Laden got what's coming to him."
"I believe in restorative justice but assassinating political enemies is a good idea."
"Nationalism is a bad thing, but people jumping around singing 'USA' in the streets after the announcement was fine."
"Murdering a murderer is definitely justice."

Hypocrites, total and utter hypocrites.

And everyone that doesn't agree with you goes in the hypocrites box.

Bollocks Damocles, absolute and utter bollocks. You do realise that someone can have a view that they hold but that there may be exceptions to it.

No I don't believe in the death penalty, however, someone that has committed atrocities and is responsible for the targetted deaths of thousands of innocent people moves off the scale. It is not called being a hypocrite, it is understanding that not everything is as black and white (or for you, as digital, a 1 or a 0), there are shades of grey and they rest.

Same also goes for Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler to name but a few.<br /><br />-- Wed May 04, 2011 1:38 pm --<br /><br />

Show me evidence of any sort where Bush demanded that or suggested that innocents should be targetted. I am talking about orders not some yank country hicks with itchy trigger fingers.

Surely as Commander in Chief he is ultimately responsible for any action taken by troops on his watch - and the sheer scale of civilian casualties in Iraq, along with the inhumane treatment of supposed POW's plus the illegal renditioning of citizens of Canada, Italy, et al would suggest that whether Bush demanded anything or not - he was so grossly negligent that he himself should be up on war crimes charges...

Let's dig up Churchill and spit on his corpse.

 

[Longsight-memories]

Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of organised religion, myself. However, even I recognise that Usama Bin Laden used religion for a means to an end. He wasn't remotely serious when he did things 'in the name of Allah'.

Pure bullsh*t. What he did do was appeal to the weaker minded sheep of Human Beings(of which there are many regardless of religion, race or creed) and brainwashed them to believe in a 'higher cause'.

He could have simply set in motion the fact that he hated the tentacles of America spreading over the world and wanted it to stop(ironically, he'd have found BETTER allies, this way), much as the Somali pirates making a (flippant) stance on international ship paying for the right to use their waters.

In both cases a stance of reason would have been listened to.

I was not just talking about Islam and OBL. My post referred to "this mess" and the Christian Crusades were not exactly a peaceful starting point.

-- Wed May 04, 2011 1:29 pm --

http://gawker.com/#!5510094/wikilea...ively-that-innocent-people-get-killed-in-wars

yeah but which one do you mean?

Show me evidence of any sort where Bush demanded that or suggested that innocents should be targetted. I am talking about orders not some yank country hicks with itchy trigger fingers.

After 9/11..in his first interview...(Bush) did say we will have a new crusade... we all know what that means now dont we!

 

[sweynforkbeard]

3,000 innocent people were unarmed on 9/11

Bin Laden didn't pause to think about murdering them

who gives a shit whether Bin Laden was armed or not

shame he couldn't have been tortured before he was slotted though

Number of unarmed civilians killed in the war in Iraq.

Over 100,000.

Kind of tips the scales of justice doesn't it...

Civilian men, women and children mercilessly and deliberately slaughtered by Al Qaeda and groups inspired by them in New York, Pennsylvania, Washington, London, Egypt, Bali, the Philippines, Malaysia, India, Pakistan, Thailand, the Trans Caucasus, Madrid, Morocco etc etc etc were just that - merciless deliberate targets. The number of civilians deliberately targeted by Allied forces in Iraq will be an extremely small percentage of whatever the total number of civilian deaths is - and will be dwarfed by the number of civilians killed by extremist Islamists of the al Qaeda franchise and the Sunni/Shia communal bloodletting that continues as we type.

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Number of unarmed civilians killed in the war in Iraq.

Over 100,000.

Kind of tips the scales of justice doesn't it...

Civilian men, women and children mercilessly and deliberately slaughtered by Al Qaeda and groups inspired by them in New York, Pennsylvania, Washington, London, Egypt, Bali, the Philippines, Malaysia, India, Pakistan, Thailand, the Trans Caucasus, Madrid, Morocco etc etc etc were just that - merciless deliberate targets. The number of civilians deliberately targeted by Allied forces in Iraq will be an extremely small percentage of whatever the total number of civilian deaths is - and will be dwarfed by the number of civilians killed by extremist Islamists of the al Qaeda franchise and the Sunni/Shia communal bloodletting that continues as we type.

Sadam Hussein even killed 10,000 of his own for daring to speak against him

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

So just so I'm clear what your idea of logic is:

What about people who supported American foreign policy but didn't vote?

What about people who voted (for Bush presumably) but didn't really know what his foreign policy was but he seemed like a nice boy?

Your view of people's motivations for voting is alarmingly simplistic. Especially as I recall George W Bush advocating a less interventionalist foreign policy in his election speeches in 2000. Does that make people who voted for him a little more 'innocent'?

Why should he bother answering you? You've already made your mind up and will attack anything he says anyway so whats the point?

That is frankly comical coming from one of the most inveterate posters in 'Off topic'.

Perhaps the concept of a forum is difficult for you to grasp.

One of the fundamental principals is that if you post something on a forum, you invite comments on it. Otherwise it's probably best to keep those thoughts to yourself.

As for attacking anything he says to the best of my knowledge this is the only time I have commented on anything Elanjo has posted on this forum, and most certainly on this thread.

Feel free to comment on this post by the way. Even if you've made your mind up.

 

[SWP's back]

I was not just talking about Islam and OBL. My post referred to "this mess" and the Christian Crusades were not exactly a peaceful starting point.

-- Wed May 04, 2011 1:29 pm --



Show me evidence of any sort where Bush demanded that or suggested that innocents should be targetted. I am talking about orders not some yank country hicks with itchy trigger fingers.

After 9/11..in his first interview...(Bush) did say we will have a new crusade... we all know what that means now dont we!

Here you go again with Bush.

I don't like Bush. I am not supporting Bush. Wanting OBL dead does not equate to supporting the semi-literate shaven ape that is W.<br /><br />-- Wed May 04, 2011 3:14 pm --<br /><br />

Number of unarmed civilians killed in the war in Iraq.

Over 100,000.

Kind of tips the scales of justice doesn't it...

Civilian men, women and children mercilessly and deliberately slaughtered by Al Qaeda and groups inspired by them in New York, Pennsylvania, Washington, London, Egypt, Bali, the Philippines, Malaysia, India, Pakistan, Thailand, the Trans Caucasus, Madrid, Morocco etc etc etc were just that - merciless deliberate targets. The number of civilians deliberately targeted by Allied forces in Iraq will be an extremely small percentage of whatever the total number of civilian deaths is - and will be dwarfed by the number of civilians killed by extremist Islamists of the al Qaeda franchise and the Sunni/Shia communal bloodletting that continues as we type.

Wow. Far too sensible for you that post is. Agree with every word though.

 

[mat]

Don't do things by half do they? One bullet would have done but it looks likes they riddled him full of them hence no pictures. Just adds to the conspiracy theories....