Our attack - what's off?

It really pisses me off when people say Bernardo has been off for 15 months. Bernardo is genuinely a world class talent and you all just write him off like this because pep prefers plodders.

Bernardo even this year when you see him play, his class shines his ball retention is not matched by any other player in this team.

City have been best to watch in the CL when he’s been playing Bernardo and Foden.

the problem with Bernardo is the lack of regular game time and a position that he can make his own. And that’s because Pep won’t allow it.

funny because he will allow others to have ten consecutive shit games and still continue to play them.

Some will laugh at what I’m about to say but I would love for pep to try Kevin deep with Foden and Bernardo ahead of him. Imagine the energy, imagine the link up.

If we go back to defending as a team and high pressing then that midfield trio could work. Foden and Bernardo have they energy to track back and tackle when they need to. To really get the most out of that setup though both Foden and Bernardo would need to become positionally savvy. KDB would be great in the pívot but equally he likes to roam and should be encouraged to do so. If Foden or Bernardo could read that and drop back where necessary we might not get caught short.

Ederson
Walker Dias Laporte Cancelo
KDB
Bernardo Foden
Torres Agüero Sterling

Would love to see it!
 
If we go back to defending as a team and high pressing then that midfield trio could work. Foden and Bernardo have they energy to track back and tackle when they need to. To really get the most out of that setup though both Foden and Bernardo would need to become positionally savvy. KDB would be great in the pívot but equally he likes to roam and should be encouraged to do so. If Foden or Bernardo could read that and drop back where necessary we might not get caught short.

Ederson
Walker Dias Laporte Cancelo
KDB
Bernardo Foden
Torres Agüero Sterling

Would love to see it!
That is the team only with Stones and anyone for LB as they all useless.

Kev dictating from rodders position would be a revelation.
 
What's off?

Mostly our press - the cornerstone of our game.
Don't press aggressively enough - fail to win the ball back quickly sometimes open to goals.

Don't press aggressively enough - fail to win the ball back quickly - missed opportunities to score with the defense out of position.
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Another factor - we're two years older from our last dominant side - further affecting our press and attack.
 
Its coming upto 2 years ago, but the press and energy city, and especially Bernard Silva had the night we beat the dippers 2-1 at the Etihad seems a generation ago
 
We don't get enough bodies in the box for a start, it's all tippy tappy 25 yards out, side to side and back again, with maybe one player in the box. Notice when a bit of desperation set in last night, players started getting into the box in numbers the last 10 or 15 minutes and all of a sudden glorious chances are created, the fact they were missed, doesn't take away from the point of get bodies in the box.
 
I’m becoming very concerned now that this isn’t tiredness from a lack of pre-season etc a that we actually are in a massive decline.

the trouble is, I’m not even sure pep and the players know want it enough.

there is absolutely no way on earth they’d put in a performance like that with 50,000 fans on their back and they’d have been rightly booed off.

how can we play two defensive midfielders and 4 defenders against West Brom at home??

how did foden come off for aguero instead of Rodri??

how can pep sit slumped in his chair watching this shite and make no subs??

As for Sterling, I’d snatch off anybody’s hand who offered us £150m. When we were playing well I always said sterling’s numbers were a product of the way the team plays rather than his own performances. If you put enough chances on a plate for someone then they’ll start scoring but he should’ve been the country’s leading scorer in 17/18 and 18/19. The way we are playing at the moment highlights my point as he has absolutely no effect on our game whatsoever. Won’t beat his man, can’t finish and slows the game down.

i was definitely “Messi in” when it nearly happened in the summer but the way we are playing and our troubles with injuries/form in front of goal I’m not sure a 34 year old Messi is the answer.

we’re desperately in need of a LB, CM, striker and a proper wide player

On another note Gundogan was fantastic last night and the only player showing any bollocks.
 
First & foremost, inability to convert scoring chances and that will be the case without a bonafide goalscorer

Apart from that, poor attacking width - combination of the fullbacks & the wide attacking frontline players

I also do not agree about depth chart for LB: Zinchenko > Mendy for me
 
Not one of Mahrez Jesus or Sterling are natural finishers.
you wouldn’t back any of them one on one with the keeper.
Their efforts from the penalty spot illustrate how they choke in front of goal.
I was hoping that Delap might have been given more of a chance.
He seems to back himself
 
Buy Ibrahimovic and we're sorted. I know it sounds ridiculous but its true.

We dont buy that sort of player because they upset the balance in the dressing room but Drogba/Costa sort of player who isnt so mentally weak that he's affected by pressure of scoring.
 
That is the team only with Stones and anyone for LB as they all useless.

Kev dictating from rodders position would be a revelation.
I might be a little worried about protecting the defence against really good attacking teams but against teams like WBA and the other plodders it would be absolutely fine
 
Absolutely zero credit being given to other teams when it comes to evolving their own tactics to combat us over the past two seasons.

Nobody presses Ederson anymore, they know it's a waste of time.

It will always look like park the bus, but even teams like Norwich and Palace last season were tweaking stuff to make sure they doubled up out wide, tried to prevent the cut backs and force City to play across the pitch.

Teams still need to get lucky or have a lapse on our part in front of goal or in our own defending, but the gist is that Pep has been here long enough for teams to have studied the best way to get a result.

They know which players to let have the ball - Rodgers thought he did when Leicester tried to shut us out in our 2019 win.

That's why they let Vinny advance the way he did...oops!

Let Rodri have the ball, let Walker and Mendy have the ball, let them run-up three-quarters on the pitch, knowing they have to chuck one in or pass it back inside.

More pertinently, move the ball to feet and quickly on our breakdown, we don't have a peak Fernandinho anymore or midfielders quick enough to put out the fires.

It all adds up to a difficult way to get a result for us.
 
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If we go back to defending as a team and high pressing then that midfield trio could work. Foden and Bernardo have they energy to track back and tackle when they need to. To really get the most out of that setup though both Foden and Bernardo would need to become positionally savvy. KDB would be great in the pívot but equally he likes to roam and should be encouraged to do so. If Foden or Bernardo could read that and drop back where necessary we might not get caught short.

Ederson
Walker Dias Laporte Cancelo
KDB
Bernardo Foden
Torres Agüero Sterling

Would love to see it!
The trouble with that team is you have two right footers playing on the left both will have to cut in giving us lack of width and easy to defend against.
 
Absolutely zero credit being given to other teams when it comes to evolving their own tactics to combat us over the past two seasons.

Nobody presses Ederson anymore, they know it's a waste of time.

It will always look like park the bus, but even teams like Norwich and Palace last season were tweaking stuff to make sure they doubled up out wide, tried to prevent the cut backs and force City to play across the pitch.

Teams still need to get lucky or have a lapse on our part in front of goal or in our own defending, but the gist is that Pep has been here long enough for teams to have studied the best way to get a result.

They know which players to let have the ball - Rodgers thought he did when Leicester tried to shut us out in our 2019 win.

That's why they let Vinny advance the way they did...oops!

Let have Rodri have the ball, let Walker and Mendy have the ball, let them run-up three-quarters on the pitch, knowing they have to chuck one in or pass it back inside.

More pertinently, move the ball to feet and quickly on our breakdown, we don't have a peak Fernandinho anymore or midfielders quick enough to put out the fires.

It all adds up to a difficult way to get a result for us.
Agree, so why aren’t we doing something different? Even formation wise, try overloading in different areas of the pitch; use Cruyff’s 343 diamond or something. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. If we’d have kept Angelino we would have had all the personnel to go with a 352 this season. Pep needs to be radically challenging himself instead of just doing the same thing that worked 2 years ago.
 
------------Eddie------------
Cancelo-Stones-Dias-Mendy
----------Gundogan-----------
Bernardo-Foden-KDB-Torres
------------Aguero-------------
 
Agree, so why aren’t we doing something different? Even formation wise, try overloading in different areas of the pitch; use Cruyff’s 343 diamond or something. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. If we’d have kept Angelino we would have had all the personnel to go with a 352 this season. Pep needs to be radically challenging himself instead of just doing the same thing that worked 2 years ago.

You have answered your own question.

Pep won't do it differently. It's a complete crock the current narrative he is adapting this term by playing two holders in midfield - we have been playing Rodri and Gundo together for more than 18 months!!

Pep is all about repetition until it becomes second nature - it doesn't really legislate for the opponent - it is always about what his teams do first and foremost.

The matra remains the other team can't hurt you if we have the ball.

Changing it like you say could never be a consistent thing for Pep - he is wedded to his ideas - it has brought us the most success.

Sadly, we have also bought a group of players who are supposedly most-aligned with what he wants.

Asking a long-distance runner to suddenly become a 100m sprinter isn't going to fly.

City, as an organisation, have made the biggest mistake a club can ever do, make the manager bigger than the club.

Ask United or Arsenal fans.

We have spent a lot of money on supposed top players and if you start changing formations, you suddenly have to ask why did we buy wingers if we are going to play 3-5-2?

As for Angelino, he looks great in the delivery phase but he is becoming better with each passing week in some eyes?

He is a horrible defender - as bad as Mendy at defending the first cross - which is why he didn't make ten games for us in the end last year.

His performances in the first-halves against United at our place and away at Anfield, absolutely no words necessary...
 
You have answered your own question.

Pep won't do it differently. It's a complete crock the current narrative he is adapting this term by playing two holders in midfield - we have been playing Rodri and Gundo together for more than 18 months!!

Pep is all about repetition until it becomes second nature - it doesn't really legislate for the opponent - it is always about what his teams do first and foremost.

The matra remains the other team can't hurt you if we have the ball.

Changing it like you say could never be a consistent thing for Pep - he is wedded to his ideas - it has brought us the most success.

Sadly, we have also bought a group of players who are supposedly most-aligned with what he wants.

Asking a long-distance runner to suddenly become a 100m sprinter isn't going to fly.

City, as an organisation, have made the biggest mistake a club can ever do, make the manager bigger than the club.

Ask United or Arsenal fans.

We have spent a lot of money on supposed top players and if you start changing formations, you suddenly have to ask why did we buy wingers if we are going to play 3-5-2?

As for Angelino, he looks great in the delivery phase but he is becoming better with each passing week in some eyes?

He is a horrible defender - as bad as Mendy at defending the first cross - which is why he didn't make ten games for us in the end last year.

His performances in the first-halves against United at our place and away at Anfield, absolutely no words necessary...

So what’s the answer Tolmie? Wait in hope for Messi to join as a get out of jail card?

The contract extension by Pep was nice to see commitment, but I would have rather it was off the back of us turning the corner and looking like a new version of a winning team, not a shadow of our former selves.
 
So what’s the answer Tolmie? Wait in hope for Messi to join as a get out of jail card?

The contract extension by Pep was nice to see commitment, but I would have rather it was off the back of us turning the corner and looking like a new version of a winning team, not a shadow of our former selves.

I don't know pal, we're not paid £20m per year to come up with the answers, even if many of us can see there have been fundamental areas that have not been properly addressed for a couple of years.

I can't believe we are stood here after four plus years of Pep and we are having to talk about a refresh of the squad when we have supposedly paid big for the long-term?

It's very poor recruitment. We need two top bracket players for midfield and up front. It will cost a lot of money, but it has to be done.

I also believe, short-term, Messi would solve a lot of issues in the final third we are having, certainly if that is backed up by a world class, energetic midfielder.
 

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