outpricing and moving longterm season ticket holders

[Manchester33]

You don't need thousands of individuals to buy, just large companies who will invite the individuals. It works in all other forms of business.

most businesses build on keeping existing customers happy and that helps to generate new business.

I would like to see the list of companies that are queueing up to buy these seats.

Not really utilities, phones tv, deals are always better for new customers, existing customers get offered little incentive the companies just hope for lethargy or customer loyalty. But don't you think the club will have done some research into what corporate business is out there ? Plus deals with global companies like Nissan, Etihad will bring some corporate custom.

In Manchester, we're currently at the dawn of a new era, where we'll become a super City/Region.
We're getting a mayor, the Airport is expanding, Metrolink is expanding, AIG and putting millions into improving the University, HS2 - this is whilst the average property price is roughly half when compared to London.

As a City we're becoming incredibly attractive to international businesses looking to move into the EU, along side major British businesses like the BBC relocating here.

When you think about the potential in Manchester, it would be ludicrous to ignore the influx of corporate people to the area. I doubt we'll ever be on a par with London, because they have the tourism industry as well, but we won't be far off.

 

[Bozzie]

As I've said before, ive accepted that I, and most others on level 2, will have to move next season. That won't stop me going but it doesn't, in my opinion, make it right. The proof of the pudding will come in the eating and if in the next few seasons level 2 is full of people on corporate freebies lapping up the hospitality that some large corporation has paid handsomely for then I will accept it is a price worth paying. If on the other hand it is half empty then whether it's been paid for or not it'll be a poor decision for the fans if not for the clubs finances.

 

[Halloween Jack]

As I've said before, ive accepted that I, and most others on level 2, will have to move next season. That won't stop me going but it doesn't, in my opinion, make it right. The proof of the pudding will come in the eating and if in the next few seasons level 2 is full of people on corporate freebies lapping up the hospitality that some large corporation has paid handsomely for then I will accept it is a price worth paying. If on the other hand it is half empty then whether it's been paid for or not it'll be a poor decision for the fans if not for the clubs finances.

Not half full then.

 

[urmston]

The thing that attracted me to watching City was that I really enjoyed the match day atmosphere.

But as the premier league becomes more and more geared towards more affluent, older fans that atmosphere has largely vanished.

It is now force of habit which keeps me buying a season ticket, but with the price increases, ever greater commercialisation, the sanitisation of the game into a virtual non-contact sport and the lack of any local feel to the club I'll probably give up soon.

Obviously the football at City is better than it ever was, but I do miss the old match day experience.

That isn't a problem for many current fans because they weren't there in those days, and not because they were too young either.

League 1 and 2 are still good for great match days.

 

[blueparrot]

The thing that attracted me to watching City was that I really enjoyed the match day atmosphere.

But as the premier league becomes more and more geared towards more affluent, older fans that atmosphere has largely vanished.

It is now force of habit which keeps me buying a season ticket, but with the price increases, ever greater commercialisation, the sanitisation of the game into a virtual non-contact sport and the lack of any local feel to the club I'll probably give up soon.

Obviously the football at City is better than it ever was, but I do miss the old match day experience.

That isn't a problem for many current fans because they weren't there in those days, and not because they were too young either.

League 1 and 2 are still good for great match days.

I think one of the selling points for corporate is big games but also big game atmosphere, if you like us 'normal' fans are part of the entertainment. Also companies like to take clients to otherwise hard to get to events. Thats why I have confidence in the club working with 1894 to do their best to try and create the conditions for a better atmosphere. Isn't it today 1894 meet the club to discuss regrouping the singers.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

I think a lot of the level 2 seats going forward will just be available on a match by match basis rather than all ST.

Match ticket, padded seat, access to bar with pay food. The entry level to corporate.

We have enough visitors/casual fans now who will be happy to pay £80/£100 for that experience for the games against the likes of Hull and Villa

For the games against Rags/Liverpool/Chelsea/Arsenal, I expect they could easily charge £150/£200 for this. Businesses would snap them up.

I expect they want £2k a year from these seats rather than the £750 they currently get, Increase in revenue of £5m plus a year

6000 more seats in SS selling at an average of £500 is another £3m if we do NS extension then another £3m.

Whilst I would rather not be moved, I see it as a way of me paying a bit less going forward and getting first choice of the new stand will certainly help.

 

[urmston]

The thing that attracted me to watching City was that I really enjoyed the match day atmosphere.

But as the premier league becomes more and more geared towards more affluent, older fans that atmosphere has largely vanished.

It is now force of habit which keeps me buying a season ticket, but with the price increases, ever greater commercialisation, the sanitisation of the game into a virtual non-contact sport and the lack of any local feel to the club I'll probably give up soon.

Obviously the football at City is better than it ever was, but I do miss the old match day experience.

That isn't a problem for many current fans because they weren't there in those days, and not because they were too young either.

League 1 and 2 are still good for great match days.

I think one of the selling points for corporate is big games but also big game atmosphere, if you like us 'normal' fans are part of the entertainment. Also companies like to take clients to otherwise hard to get to events. Thats why I have confidence in the club working with 1894 to do their best to try and create the conditions for a better atmosphere. Isn't it today 1894 meet the club to discuss regrouping the singers.

Regrouping the singers won't address the fundamental problem with regards to atmosphere - the fact that crowds now are much older and middle class than they used to be.

And as long as watching premier league football is quite expensive that's the way it'll stay.

 

[Halloween Jack]

It is the older middle class fans that used to create the atmosphere when we were skint. It's the general apathy of younger fans that is the problem.

 

[dobobobo]

It is the older middle class fans that used to create the atmosphere when we were skint. It's the general apathy of younger fans that is the problem.

 

[Halloween Jack]

Oh I forgot schools out for the day. I'm off.

 

[jonmcity]

I think a lot of the level 2 seats going forward will just be available on a match by match basis rather than all ST.

Match ticket, padded seat, access to bar with pay food. The entry level to corporate.

We have enough visitors/casual fans now who will be happy to pay £80/£100 for that experience for the games against the likes of Hull and Villa

For the games against Rags/Liverpool/Chelsea/Arsenal, I expect they could easily charge £150/£200 for this. Businesses would snap them up.

I expect they want £2k a year from these seats rather than the £750 they currently get, Increase in revenue of £5m plus a year

6000 more seats in SS selling at an average of £500 is another £3m if we do NS extension then another £3m.

Whilst I would rather not be moved, I see it as a way of me paying a bit less going forward and getting first choice of the new stand will certainly help.

Its simple if we want the best players we have to find ways of paying for them. I understand it is upsetting to be moved. Perhaps the club could do more. i.e. compensation half price season ticket for the first year after the move or something.

 

[FanchesterCity]

I think there should be a league table (points for all intents and purposes) where fans rank in a hierarchy...
However, it shouldn't be boosted by the purchase prices over the years, because I don't really believe someone who can afford a great seat is necessarily any more loyal than someone who can't. That said, I'm sure some will feel that if they've spent more with the club, they deserve more priority.

The 'ranking' should allow for someone who's supported for many years, and can no longer afford a season ticket (or just needs to take a break, for whatever reason) to slowly slip down the rankings. Someone shouldn't fall to the back of the queue because they lose their job and can't afford this year's season ticket, they should be be able to get back on the bus relatively quickly having been high ranking and slowly slipping down.

It's a decent system (in my view) and doesn't unduly punish anybody who can't afford a ticket for a while. Of course, the longer they go without, the more they'll start to slip down the rankings, and conversely, the longer someone's waited the higher up the rankings they will get.

i know lots of Liverpool fans never stand of a chance of getting tickets because people share a season ticket, or they 'lease' it to a mate for a period of time. I'm not sure that's ideal, but I can understand why they do that - because they dare not give up their season ticket as they'll never get it back.

With a properly administered ranking system, they'd not have to be so worried about never getting it back.

You are describing exactly the loyalty point system. I had a couple of years off being a season ticket holder about 6 or 7 years ago and just picked up my points where I left off when I came back.

It was the old 1st/2nd/3rd/4th/5th year/Regular season ticket system which sent people to the back of the queue.

It works like this now? I didn't know that!
I mean I'm aware of the points etc for getting cup tickets and what have you, but since I've not been in the position of having to stop the season ticket and restart it later (not for a long time), I've not encountered the situation.

If it works this way now, I'm all for that, and I think it's right. It's the back of the queue horror I think is totally wrong.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

I think a lot of the level 2 seats going forward will just be available on a match by match basis rather than all ST.

Match ticket, padded seat, access to bar with pay food. The entry level to corporate.

We have enough visitors/casual fans now who will be happy to pay £80/£100 for that experience for the games against the likes of Hull and Villa

For the games against Rags/Liverpool/Chelsea/Arsenal, I expect they could easily charge £150/£200 for this. Businesses would snap them up.

I expect they want £2k a year from these seats rather than the £750 they currently get, Increase in revenue of £5m plus a year

6000 more seats in SS selling at an average of £500 is another £3m if we do NS extension then another £3m.

Whilst I would rather not be moved, I see it as a way of me paying a bit less going forward and getting first choice of the new stand will certainly help.

Its simple if we want the best players we have to find ways of paying for them. I understand it is upsetting to be moved. Perhaps the club could do more. i.e. compensation half price season ticket for the first year after the move or something.

It doesn't upset me to be honest. I currently sit in an area that is full of different faces every game. A few regulars who I like sitting with, but way too many corporates and people who stare if you swear! Doesn't suit me and believe me the likes of Kolorov have got off lightly from me in recent years due to this!

I will save a minimum of £150 a year on current prices and probably be sat in first 5 rows of the new stand which looks like it will be a good view.

I was paying £500 a year watching the shit that Pearce served up so £599 for this will be bargain time.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

You don't need thousands of individuals to buy, just large companies who will invite the individuals. It works in all other forms of business.

most businesses build on keeping existing customers happy and that helps to generate new business.

I would like to see the list of companies that are queueing up to buy these seats.

Not really utilities, phones tv, deals are always better for new customers, existing customers get offered little incentive the companies just hope for lethargy or customer loyalty. But don't you think the club will have done some research into what corporate business is out there ? Plus deals with global companies like Nissan, Etihad will bring some corporate custom.

The Club have paid for agencies to bring in more corporates but these methods have failed to date as evidenced by the ES and CB level 2 season card prices still being below the £1,150 headline figure.

Also, the Club has failed to sell many CL corporate seats and I have been offered my seat back in 206 after being relocated a couple of times!

Good point about many companies exploit apathy!

 

[John69]

Looks like the club is recruiting sales execs to sell the level 2 seats:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.totaljobs.com/JobSeeking/Premium-Seating-Executives_job61531283" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.totaljobs.com/JobSeeking/Pre ... ob61531283</a>

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

Looks like the club is recruiting sales execs to sell the level 2 seats:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.totaljobs.com/JobSeeking/Premium-Seating-Executives_job61531283" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.totaljobs.com/JobSeeking/Pre ... ob61531283</a>

"Executive" - a person with senior managerial responsibility in a business.

Txiki must be on way over £20k pa then!

 

[Davs 19]

It is the older middle class fans that used to create the atmosphere when we were skint. It's the general apathy of younger fans that is the problem.

You obviously don't do 'aways'