mad4city said:
Ireland is an interesting example:
You can't take all of the best players out of a country - usually before they've even had a chance to play in their domestic league and then say "no, you piss off and support the leftovers, Paddy. You're not welcome here - only your best players are."
Life doesn't work like that and, to be fair most locals accept the situation for the way it is.
I was going to answer an earlier post a few pages back, but you've summed up nicely the situation with Irish Football.
The earlier post was asking a genuine question about why Irish people follow English football teams. His train of thought was that the League of Ireland would be much stronger if we followed our own. I'm not so sure about that.
A lot of people over here follow both although I would say more just follow English football without any great allegiance locally.
Ireland is not a big enough country to support a professional league. My opinion is that there are already too many teams for a city the size of Dublin.
St.Pats., Shelbourne, Bohemians, Shamrock Rovers.....
You make the point of the cream leaving the country for trials in Britain anyway. This is certainly true, although I'm not sure what we send over now are of the standard required to make it in the premiership. Feeder Clubs like Home Farm and St. Kevins Boys over here hoover up the best kids from the local teams, most of which don't even make their first teams. The parents seem to see it as a way of being seen by a Premiership scout.
Most kids who do get a trial in Britain, come back disappointed. Some stay in football here but not all.
This is one problem. Another is the shambles of a governing body call the FAI. Soccer (I'll call it that to distinguish it) competes over here with Gaelic Football and Hurling (The GAA) throughout the country and now also with Rugby.
The GAA is the amateur body governing the Gaelic Games over here but for all their faults they are running a far more professional outfit than the FAI who are utter amateurs. They have the Infrastructure and support in the community, in every parish North and South of the border. The facilities that they have at local level leaves Football (Soccer) in the pox'n'poverty place.
A lot of our really talented athletes don't end up playing high level Football, they play Gaelic Games.
Anyway, I'm not trying to make excuses. The way it was when I was growing up, everyone loved football but we weren't even allowed play it, in the Christian Brother School that I went to. We could see MOTD and The Big Match at the weekend on television. You never saw League of Ireland matches.
That was back in the early 1970's. Kids now are saturated with football globally on Sky and BT Sports, Setanta etc.
Why in 1970, as a seven year old, when asked to choose by my brothers and neighbour kids, I chose City, I don't know. There were actually a few of us on the road back then, as well as the usual mix of UTD/Liverpool and Chelsea and Leeds were big then also.
One thing I will say is, that people of my generation would not class themselves as glory hunters, even the RED followers. When you picked your team for whatever reason you stuck with it. Naturally with Utd winning so much in the premiership era, you had a whole generation that latched onto them and all they know is the premiership years. From the time my young lad was about 5 or 6 he was in his City jersey (because of me, initially) and was being slagged in school and on his football team. I told him to keep calm. Their days were numbered. Your time is coming.
The best moment of his life so far was being behind the goal when Sergio scored on 93:20 against QPR. He's hooked. Is he a glory hunter? Some of you might say so. He only endured 5 years or so of mild slagging in school. I've told him about the lean years and that City were a great team back in the seventies but went down through the leagues and back up. He knows there was football before the premiership.
We only get over to about 2-3 matches a year because of the cost, but it's a real highlight and buzz for him. He loves Manchester and every time we are over we are always treated very well by everyone. I've never experienced any negativity from anyone I've talked to, about us coming over from Ireland.
The only place I've ever read negativity about it, is on the forum. This was one of the reasons it took me so long to actually post and not just read.