Pakistan bans Facebook over 'Draw Muhammad Day'

Bigga said:
ElanJo said:
Not quite the same thing. Free Speech is a right (and one taken for granted). People don't have the right to not have their feelings hurt.

Whilst I sympathise with the more decent Muslims (note that I haven't drawn Muhammad myself) this Draw Muhammad day wouldn't have begun if Islam had gotten it's own house in order. They have allowed this to fester without so much of a peep. It wasn't the Muslim populations who tamed Christianity over here it was tamed by ourseleves (ie. people from within majority Christian populations).
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Look, I know you never seem to want to agree, so I'll put it this way...

If you know I'd be offended and angry if you called me a n****r, why would you do so just to underline your right to 'free speech'?

You know you'd be heading for a thumping, but would push the button anyway?

Not making much sense to me.

This is why I see that respect is much more important than free speech. That would earn mutual respect and the likelihood of enduring peace between us.
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I'm sorry but I see no point in agreeing for the sake of it or so we can have some nice fuzzy feeling. Besides I do agree in part. Respect is important but so is dissent.

Your comparison is slightly skewed. You're comparing drawing a picture with racism. And murder with a thump. Yes, free speech doesn't mean you have to be an arsehole but there are degrees to which stifling or punishing speech/expression is acceptable. Punching someone who is racist towards you could be justified but murdering someone for drawing a picture is pure evil, laughable, and completely indefensible. Peoples lives and freedoms are at stake and if in trying to stop this madness some moderate muslims may be offended then that's unfortunate but I'd rather be offended than dead.

“Irreverence is the champion of liberty and its only sure defense.”
Mark Twain
 
ElanJo said:
I'm sorry but I see no point in agreeing for the sake of it or so we can have some nice fuzzy feeling. Besides I do agree in part. Respect is important but so is dissent.

Your comparison is slightly skewed. You're comparing drawing a picture with racism. And murder with a thump. Yes, free speech doesn't mean you have to be an arsehole but there are degrees to which stifling or punishing speech/expression is acceptable. Punching someone who is racist towards you could be justified but murdering someone for drawing a picture is pure evil, laughable, and completely indefensible. Peoples lives and freedoms are at stake and if in trying to stop this madness some moderate muslims may be offended then that's unfortunate but I'd rather be offended than dead.

“Irreverence is the champion of liberty and its only sure defense.”
Mark Twain
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You can't take a terrible quote from Twain(your use is mischievous) and use it as a backdrop to offending the Muslim community's desire for respect on its religion!!

Let me contradict it with another one of his...
"True irreverence is disrespect for another man's god." Much more accurate to his intentions.

So there you go.
 
Seen some pretty unpleasant graffiti showing hindu gods being deficated on, and it was obvious from the scrawl and location who had done it.
 
Bigga said:
ElanJo said:
I'm sorry but I see no point in agreeing for the sake of it or so we can have some nice fuzzy feeling. Besides I do agree in part. Respect is important but so is dissent.

Your comparison is slightly skewed. You're comparing drawing a picture with racism. And murder with a thump. Yes, free speech doesn't mean you have to be an arsehole but there are degrees to which stifling or punishing speech/expression is acceptable. Punching someone who is racist towards you could be justified but murdering someone for drawing a picture is pure evil, laughable, and completely indefensible. Peoples lives and freedoms are at stake and if in trying to stop this madness some moderate muslims may be offended then that's unfortunate but I'd rather be offended than dead.

“Irreverence is the champion of liberty and its only sure defense.”
Mark Twain
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You can't take a terrible quote from Twain(your use is mischievous) and use it as a backdrop to offending the Muslim community's desire for respect on its religion!!

Let me contradict it with another one of his...
"True irreverence is disrespect for another man's god." Much more accurate to his intentions.

So there you go.
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'Defending irreverence truly disrespects God's champion of liberty' was the pithy bon mot that I believe Twain was struggling towards.
 
sweynforkbeard said:
Bigga said:
You can't take a terrible quote from Twain(your use is mischievous) and use it as a backdrop to offending the Muslim community's desire for respect on its religion!!

Let me contradict it with another one of his...
"True irreverence is disrespect for another man's god." Much more accurate to his intentions.

So there you go.
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'Defending irreverence truly disrespects God's champion of liberty' was the pithy bon mot that I believe Twain was struggling towards.
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I take it you're agreeing with me?

I can't tell if you're serious or not, right now! You confuse me at the best of times, good sir!
 
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