Palace v City post match thread.

VOOMER said:
We are getting exactly what we deserve. We have a great owner and that's about it. When Mancini was in charge we were organised and became winner's. He was judged on his CL record when every neutral journalist and pundit said we had the group of death twice. Didsbury Dave and other's slagged him of from the outset, but DD doesnt run the club. Where was our reaction when we saw a manager who has and will win more than Pellegrini, being fucked over the envious Khaldoon and two spivs from Barcelona? Nothing. We all seemed happy with the following notion that the players feelings were more important than having a well drilled team that will vary tactics and exploit opponents weaknesses. We still feel we shouldn't say, or do a thing because of our owner, but it isn't our owner is fucking it up. I'm sure that people are going to say get a grip, would throw that back and say we have got a grip of anything. We should have backed Mancini and bought two of his main targets and we would have likely been looking at 3 titles on the trot and a 4th this year. Instead we have a *anker for a DOF when therags have shown that the best way to go is the best manager you can find and back him to the hilt. We were happy pandering to the players sensitive nature's when they should have been told to shut the*uck up.
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VOOMER said:
We are getting exactly what we deserve. We have a great owner and that's about it. When Mancini was in charge we were organised and became winner's. He was judged on his CL record when every neutral journalist and pundit said we had the group of death twice. Didsbury Dave and other's slagged him of from the outset, but DD doesnt run the club. Where was our reaction when we saw a manager who has and will win more than Pellegrini, being fucked over the envious Khaldoon and two spivs from Barcelona? Nothing. We all seemed happy with the following notion that the players feelings were more important than having a well drilled team that will vary tactics and exploit opponents weaknesses. We still feel we shouldn't say, or do a thing because of our owner, but it isn't our owner is fucking it up. I'm sure that people are going to say get a grip, would throw that back and say we have got a grip of anything. We should have backed Mancini and bought two of his main targets and we would have likely been looking at 3 titles on the trot and a 4th this year. Instead we have a *anker for a DOF when therags have shown that the best way to go is the best manager you can find and back him to the hilt. We were happy pandering to the players sensitive nature's when they should have been told to shut the*uck up.
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Absolutely spot on.
 
the strange thing is a t 2-0 down a couple of years ago i would have jumped on city to salvage a draw if not a 3-2 win, neither the bookies or punters fancy us with a 2-0 handicap and that says we are certainly not what we were, tonight was disappointing but in all honesty i was not shocked because the writing has been on the wall since xmas but chins up because its just like city to turn over the scum on the back of this result
 
Eaglechief said:
Paul_Powers_Tash said:
The stats tell the full story. We dominated every one of them apart from the only one that mattered,

The truth is that this season we look like a group of talented players, thrown together and given a football and told to go and work it out, The players are good enough to keep the ball and thus have the lions share of possession, corners etc but against well organised teams we cant make our superior skills and stats count.

For people scratching their heads let me let you into a little secret. Teams win leagues not individuals, and teams are created on the training ground by the manager. Teams play in certain ways that maximise the opportunity at that particular time/situation and minimise the threat. This is done by group habit and not individual choice. Group habits are built, refined and ingrained on the training pitch by a manager with vision who knows what he is doing..

When Mancini took over he upset Tevez, Bellend and co because he made them train and practice without a football. He drilled it into the players where he expected them to be and what he expected them to do in given situations. These drills were designed to inflict the maximum damage on the opposition dependent of the oppositions strengths and weaknesses while minimising the oppositions potential to hurt us. Only when they understood this did he give the players a ball to play with.

This is nothing new or revolutionary but is an absolute per-requisite if you want to win the highest honors in the game.

What we are seeing from Pellegrini is absolutely not this. There is no game plan uniquely devised to maximise the tools/players at the managers disposal considering the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition. There is no preset, co-ordinated patterns of play to create maximum havoc in the opposition defence.

The very fact that despite the enormous size and strength of the team it takes us over 300 attempts before we score from a corner demonstrates as vividly as anything else that the manager has no plan beyond picking a different group of good players each game and asking them to go and do their best.

People say we have been found out and teams know how to play against us. The truth is the manager has been found out.
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Well put sir! The best reply tonight on this forum.
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Seconded!
I said pretty much the same in an earlier post.
Pellegrini is out of synch with the requirements of the premier league.
We don't have to become clones of Mourinho's style ( win at all costs) , but there is plenty of Middle ground to occupy.
A bit of style and a lot of belief- instilled by your manager.
 
Thought we played pretty well without getting the result we deserved.

I still think the formation wasn't great with Dzeko requires tondo a lot of work outside the box that he was poor at. Can't understand why we kept Frank Lampard if he hardly gets a game!
 
cleavers said:
I thought Fernandhino was our best player, Dzeko our worst, closely followed by Sagna.
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I agree with you about Fernandhino but the goal apart I thought Yaya was a total liability,

I find this very hard to post as he's my favourite player in the current team but he's looking past it.

Sagna was shit, as was Dzeko although he had no service. Of more concern to me was Aguero who was almost as shit as Dzeko.
 
Paul_Powers_Tash said:
VOOMER said:
We are getting exactly what we deserve. We have a great owner and that's about it. When Mancini was in charge we were organised and became winner's. He was judged on his CL record when every neutral journalist and pundit said we had the group of death twice. Didsbury Dave and other's slagged him of from the outset, but DD doesnt run the club. Where was our reaction when we saw a manager who has and will win more than Pellegrini, being fucked over the envious Khaldoon and two spivs from Barcelona? Nothing. We all seemed happy with the following notion that the players feelings were more important than having a well drilled team that will vary tactics and exploit opponents weaknesses. We still feel we shouldn't say, or do a thing because of our owner, but it isn't our owner is fucking it up. I'm sure that people are going to say get a grip, would throw that back and say we have got a grip of anything. We should have backed Mancini and bought two of his main targets and we would have likely been looking at 3 titles on the trot and a 4th this year. Instead we have a *anker for a DOF when therags have shown that the best way to go is the best manager you can find and back him to the hilt. We were happy pandering to the players sensitive nature's when they should have been told to shut the*uck up.
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Absolutely spot on.
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We are using United as the yardstick, really?

Moyes negates the manager argument. As for not pandering to players...Rooney?
 
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