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[BobKowalski]

Nice to see people getting worked up over different pricing for black and white and railing over the unfairness of it all. I wonder why the same people don’t get quite as worked up with the following findings from a report, commissioned by the government. It found that, for every 100 white women handed custodial sentences at crown courts for drug offences, 227 black women were sentenced to custody. For black men, the figure is 141 for every 100 white men. Now that is something you won’t read in the daily mail or on breitbart.

Well you might but only in an approving tone.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Again you are lumping all BAME into a group and not treating them as individuals and making assumptions on their ability to pay. Thats a form of stereo-typing and is inherently racist. It can be argued that a fairer system would be charge all people an amount that they can afford and therefore not base the costs on the group you allocate them too.

I don't see racism because i want to. i'm a big believer in equality of opportunity for all.
So when i see a policy, rule or statement i usually apply a bit of reciprocity to the situation (i.e. substitute a different race/gender etc). If the recipricol arrangement appears unfair or discrimatory then that must also apply to the original situation also, and hence how i would judge something as racist sexist etc.

And yes i do see women only short lists as sexiest for a couple of reasons, but mainly because i don't believe in equality of outcome (only equality of opportunity)

The integral basis for gender/race only short lists is the belief that if an organisation doesn't mirror local/national demographics then something is wrong. This flies in the face of or ignores things like personal choice/ preferences, culture and the differences between individuals etc.
For examples of this you only have to look at Scandanavia, which is considered the place where people are most free to make whatever life & employment choices as they want; female nurses outnumber male nurses something like 20:1, and vice versa with male engineers outnumbering females by a similiar ratio.
Therefore if you try to make people fit into a pre-determined outcome, you end up in part removing their free will and choices, or coerce people into making choices they don't want or block them doing what they wish.

Secondly, i am opposed to corralling people into groups and then basing their needs/ requirements upon whatever group they have been arbitarily placed under. I'm of the belief that all people should be treated as an individual with regard to their needs/ requirements.

Thirdly, again by having women only short lists etc you are only considering people from one type of group to arrive at a flawed pre-conceived outcome. It can be considered/argued that by favouring only one group you are elevating their position for supposed 'good' reasons, but in doing so you end up ignoring/neglecting people in other groups (who based on merit should also be considered). This is a form of oppression to which i am against in any form.

Indeed. The left always bows to the collective, so all demographics must be assigned a pre conceived solution. The problem is that the individual voice that rails against that, from freedom of choice, then upsets the applecart.
The obvious flaws in deliberately penalising one demographic to assuage the perceived grievances of one that they've decided needs attention, become lost in the fervour to project an earnest moral superiority.
Most people see through it.

 

[BobKowalski]

Would need to see more context and to what conclusions they draw. Is it that black men & women are more pre-disposed to drug crime than whites? Similiar to how whites tend to be more pre-deposed to car crime?

Or are you hinting that blacks & whites commit the same amount of drug crime, but blacks are treated more harshly by the judicial system?

If so, i wonder why people aren't also getting worked up about the number of left handed women within the prison system. There is a vastly disproportionate amount them locked up compared with the typical demographic 10-12% within society.

Why aren't people storming the gates and doing something about all these police & judges who obviously have something against left handers. ;)

See you were doing ok (well apart from the ‘Scandinavian’ hints in the other post) but then you just couldn’t resist it could you? The mask always slips. Ah well.

 

[BobKowalski]

Indeed. The left always bows to the collective, so all demographics must be assigned a pre conceived solution. The problem is that the individual voice that rails against that, from freedom of choice, then upsets the applecart.
The obvious flaws in deliberately penalising one demographic to assuage the perceived grievances of one that they've decided needs attention, become lost in the fervour to project an earnest moral superiority.
Most people see through it.

You ability to be wrong on just about everything is truly wondrous to behold. No idea how you manage it but it takes a special talent.

 

[Ban-jani]

he might do I honestly don't know

They’ll probably be pressured into a soppy apology on Corbyn’s behalf about how they were doing the right thing when in reality they’re so out of touch when it comes to stopping discrimination, they’re actually being harmful to progress.

Also I work in the recruitment industry and we often host events with speakers. We have never done a single event where the person going on stage hasn’t asked for details on who was attending - base locations of attendees, types of job titles, whether the crowd has access to alcohol, costing to get in etc.

I cannot believe that the leader of opposition is so naive.

 

[Ghandi's Flip Flops]

See you were doing ok (well apart from the ‘Scandinavian’ hints in the other post) but then you just couldn’t resist it could you? The mask always slips. Ah well.

Sorry you've totally lost me there, both with reference to the 'Scandanavian hints' and the mask slipping bit. Any chance you can explain what you are hinting at please?

Saying that, i'm still trying to get my head around your history lessons and their relevance to needing women only short lists to counter balance the pre determined outcome mandated by society because of social norms

 

[BobKowalski]

They’ll probably be pressured into a soppy apology on Corbyn’s behalf about how they were doing the right thing when in reality they’re so out of touch when it comes to stopping discrimination, they’re actually being harmful to progress.

Yeah. A clumsy half thought out attempt at doing something is always the biggest barrier to progress. Jeez. You can’t move in this thread for skirt clutching, triggered snowflakes.

 

[BobKowalski]

Sorry you've totally lost me there, both with reference to the 'Scandanavian hints' and the mask slipping bit. Any chance you can explain what you are hinting at please?

Saying that, i'm still trying to get my head around your history lessons and their relevance to needing women only short lists to counter balance the pre determined outcome mandated by society because of social norms

I merely provide the lessons. Comprehension of them is your problem.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

You ability to be wrong on just about everything is truly wondrous to behold. No idea how you manage it but it takes a special talent.

Your capacity to believe that you're right about absolutely everything however, holds no mystery.

 

[BobKowalski]

Your capacity to believe that you're right about absolutely everything however, holds no mystery.

Again this is true :)