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[The perfect fumble]

still is.

Parliament does not reflect society in many ways and women only shortlists brought in a huge number of women in to Parliament in the Blair government so the outcome was positive, I hope you would agree, but the mechanism by which this was achieved was sexist and therefore should not have happened?

 

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Bussing black kids into predominantly white schools was racist as well?

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Parliament does not reflect society in many ways and women only shortlists brought in a huge number of women in to Parliament in the Blair government so the outcome was positive, I hope you would agree, but the mechanism by which this was achieved was sexist and therefore should not have happened?

Equality of opportunity over equality of outcome. Then again, I live with a more optimistic view of society where we can all be intelligent enough to give the best person for the role the job.

 

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The basic right-left divide – essentially, between those who believe inequality is a law of nature and are suspicious of collective action, and people who refute the first and believe in the second – will, it seems, always remain.

It is the prism through which so many in here, including me, see the world.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Bussing black kids into predominantly white schools was racist as well?

not necessarily.

 

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Equality of opportunity over equality of outcome. Then again, I live with a more optimistic view of society where we can all be intelligent enough to give the best person for the role the job.

Then you are living in a dream, a dream that does nothing to addressed the entrenched injustices in the world.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

Then you are living in a dream, a dream that does nothing to addressed the entrenched injustices in the world.

Well it's a better dream than the one concocted by others who see the only way for "equality" is reverse persecution and prejudice. Simply deciding "well these people use to be prejudiced against, so the only way to make it right and create a better world is to get the other side back, rinse and repeat" is a poor way to "improve" the world and does nothing for the benefit of society, in fact it only entrenches those disparities and the resentment developed because of it.

 

[SWP's back]

But the context with a nightclub is it wants to encourage a mix of the sexes, so in order to encourage women it lets them in free and charges blokes because it knows otherwise there would be a predominance of men. One of the reasons men go to nightclubs is to meet women, so most of the men I've ever met who go to nightclubs understand why there is differential pricing and I've never heard any bloke object.

Is it still sexist then?

Yes. It is.

Same thing happens out here except women drink free all night. And yes I’ve heard plenty of men object (I don’t as I send the wife to the bar every five minutes for me)

 

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Yes. It is.

Same thing happens out here except women drink free all night. And yes I’ve heard plenty of men object (I don’t as I send the wife to the bar every five minutes for me)

But it's just differential pricing based on market forces, it's just good business, otherwise it wouldn't continue. Without the underpinning economic argument it would be abandoned, why? Because it's not based on sexism (if it were, it would continue) but on economics.

 

[SWP's back]

But it's just differential pricing based on market forces, it's just good business, otherwise it wouldn't continue. Without the underpinning economic argument it would be abandoned, why? Because it's not based on sexism (if it were, it would continue) but on economics.

But it’s still sexist.

There’s no economic argument for the thread topic and it’s still racial discrimination.