Pellegrini's Targets And Expectations

[Eaglechief]

What a load of speculative waffle!

The clues in the above are "my suspicion" and "I suspect", so yes they are "speculative" as you state.

As for "waffle", well time will tell whether the speculation is correct, or do you believe we can go to 4-3-3 without making changes to the current squad?

The waffle i'd suggest is a club of city's size won't be making unheard of 'signing' - they'll be 3+ world class signings, balanced with 3/4 developing emerging talents, that added to our core squad will be very difficult to beat!

4-3-3 will be the preferred system but by no means set in stone!

Zin...I too would love to see is signing 3+ world class players, but I just can't see how we could do this with FFP rules now in place.

Who are the 3/4 developing players you refer to? (I don't follow the EDS closely tbh).

 

[Zin 'messiah' Zimmer]

The clues in the above are "my suspicion" and "I suspect", so yes they are "speculative" as you state.

As for "waffle", well time will tell whether the speculation is correct, or do you believe we can go to 4-3-3 without making changes to the current squad?

The waffle i'd suggest is a club of city's size won't be making unheard of 'signing' - they'll be 3+ world class signings, balanced with 3/4 developing emerging talents, that added to our core squad will be very difficult to beat!

4-3-3 will be the preferred system but by no means set in stone!

Zin...I too would love to see is signing 3+ world class players, but I just can't see how we could do this with FFP rules now in place.

Who are the 3/4 developing players you refer to? (I don't follow the EDS closely tbh).

FFP not really prevalent to us this summer mate - we have around 140/150m to splash if needed, that balanced with the outgoing players (contracts expired, sold) will keep us well within our FFP constraints - oh and i wasn't alluding to EDS promotion as such, we will IMO bring in 3/4 great prospects like Nasty, those who are only 12/18 months away from starting births!

 

[Balti]

OP mentioned expectations over 3 seasons

on a 2 year deal it doesn't look like we expect him to be here that long one way or t'other

 

[Eaglechief]

The waffle i'd suggest is a club of city's size won't be making unheard of 'signing' - they'll be 3+ world class signings, balanced with 3/4 developing emerging talents, that added to our core squad will be very difficult to beat!

4-3-3 will be the preferred system but by no means set in stone!

Zin...I too would love to see is signing 3+ world class players, but I just can't see how we could do this with FFP rules now in place.

Who are the 3/4 developing players you refer to? (I don't follow the EDS closely tbh).

FFP not really prevalent to us this summer mate - we have around 140/150m to splash if needed, that balanced with the outgoing players (contracts expired, sold) will keep us well within our FFP constraints - oh and i wasn't alluding to EDS promotion as such, we will IMO bring in 3/4 great prospects like Nasty, those who are only 12/18 months away from starting births!

I really hope you're right then, the future really is looking bright for City! :)

 

[kalouk]

New Manager's Targets + Expectations (whether Pellegrini or someone else):

1) "Holistic targets":
- to work closely with academy staff + encourage young talent
- to work closely + co-operatively with Dir of football (Txiki) to identify + bring in transfer targets (within FFP guidelines)
- to work closely with both of above to introduce similar football ethos + playing style across all levels of club

2) "Performance" targets:
- to qualify for CL by finishing top 3 (minimum)
- to win a domestic trophy (preferably FA Cup)
- to reach knockout stages (or better) of CL
- to do all of above through playing attractive / possession based attacking football.

Clearly lots of posters on BM don't really do "reading between the lines".

Mancini was not sacked because of the team's results this year...it was because he manifestly failed to engage in any of the "holistic" targets that he was being given.
In fact it was the opposite and he was openly attacking medical staff / players / executive colleagues / PR staff in a very public manner.

The list of failed targets cited by the club was a PUBLIC EXPLANATION / EXCUSE for getting rid of Mancini...but the real reason was that he refused to operate in a constructive / collaborative manner with the other parts of the club.
He boxed himself into a corner where he labelled himself a "winner" and didn't care about other depts.
N.B. the interview given by Soriano to Italian press : "Mancini is a winner - I say no more" - now we see real context of quote.
When you are only a "winner" + you stop winning...you are in trouble.

I would say that if we had not won the league last year + someone like Pellegrini had come in this season...he would NOT be sacked based on this season's results...providing he was ticking all the boxes under "holistic" and it was generally felt the overall structure of the club was moving in the right direction.

People saying that the new manager will be sacked if he doesn't win the league in his first season are talking nonsense.

p.s. all of the above is why Mourinho will not be coming + if not Pellegrini it will be a Klopp / De Boer type appointment.

Really good post.

 

[Danamy]

What a load of speculative waffle!

The clues in the above are "my suspicion" and "I suspect", so yes they are "speculative" as you state.

As for "waffle", well time will tell whether the speculation is correct, or do you believe we can go to 4-3-3 without making changes to the current squad?

The waffle i'd suggest is a club of city's size won't be making unheard of 'signing' - they'll be 3+ world class signings, balanced with 3/4 developing emerging talents, that added to our core squad will be very difficult to beat!

4-3-3 will be the preferred system but by no means set in stone!

It will certainly be more fluid formations as this guy sets out horses for courses, sadly something we didn't see that often under Mancini.

The guess the team thread will be interesting next season, that's for sure

 

[Anonymous]

I expect to see some new players come in with maybe one of them being a "marquee" signing.

I expect Pellegrini to build on the positive elements of Mancini's tenure and encourage the team to be more decisive in the final third.

I expect us to progress out of the league stage in Europe.

I expect a very strong title challenge. Would love to win it back, but as long as we have done everything we possibly can, I'd accept 2nd again.

I'd expect a very good run again in the FA Cup and would love to win it after this season's disappointment.

More importantly though, and immediately, I expect the club as a whole to smooth things over internally and stop all this public wrangling.

 

[taconinja]

I have to admit something. I'm completely baffled by the "get out of the group stage of the CL" statements. Whether you lose in the group stage or lose in the final... you still lose.<br /><br />-- Wed May 15, 2013 8:36 am --<br /><br />

The clues in the above are "my suspicion" and "I suspect", so yes they are "speculative" as you state.

As for "waffle", well time will tell whether the speculation is correct, or do you believe we can go to 4-3-3 without making changes to the current squad?

The waffle i'd suggest is a club of city's size won't be making unheard of 'signing' - they'll be 3+ world class signings, balanced with 3/4 developing emerging talents, that added to our core squad will be very difficult to beat!

4-3-3 will be the preferred system but by no means set in stone!

It will certainly be more fluid formations as this guy sets out horses for courses, sadly something we didn't see that often under Mancini.

The guess the team thread will be interesting next season, that's for sure

And we when did see formation shifts, this place went bananas. You're right. It'll be interesting.

 

[Impeccable One]

New Manager's Targets + Expectations (whether Pellegrini or someone else):

1) "Holistic targets":
- to work closely with academy staff + encourage young talent
- to work closely + co-operatively with Dir of football (Txiki) to identify + bring in transfer targets (within FFP guidelines)
- to work closely with both of above to introduce similar football ethos + playing style across all levels of club

2) "Performance" targets:
- to qualify for CL by finishing top 3 (minimum)
- to win a domestic trophy (preferably FA Cup)
- to reach knockout stages (or better) of CL
- to do all of above through playing attractive / possession based attacking football.

Clearly lots of posters on BM don't really do "reading between the lines".

Mancini was not sacked because of the team's results this year...it was because he manifestly failed to engage in any of the "holistic" targets that he was being given.
In fact it was the opposite and he was openly attacking medical staff / players / executive colleagues / PR staff in a very public manner.

The list of failed targets cited by the club was a PUBLIC EXPLANATION / EXCUSE for getting rid of Mancini...but the real reason was that he refused to operate in a constructive / collaborative manner with the other parts of the club.
He boxed himself into a corner where he labelled himself a "winner" and didn't care about other depts.
N.B. the interview given by Soriano to Italian press : "Mancini is a winner - I say no more" - now we see real context of quote.
When you are only a "winner" + you stop winning...you are in trouble.

I would say that if we had not won the league last year + someone like Pellegrini had come in this season...he would NOT be sacked based on this season's results...providing he was ticking all the boxes under "holistic" and it was generally felt the overall structure of the club was moving in the right direction.

People saying that the new manager will be sacked if he doesn't win the league in his first season are talking nonsense.

p.s. all of the above is why Mourinho will not be coming + if not Pellegrini it will be a Klopp / De Boer type appointment.

Saved me typing the same; Agree 100%

 

[Ray78]

New Manager's Targets + Expectations (whether Pellegrini or someone else):

1) "Holistic targets":
- to work closely with academy staff + encourage young talent
- to work closely + co-operatively with Dir of football (Txiki) to identify + bring in transfer targets (within FFP guidelines)
- to work closely with both of above to introduce similar football ethos + playing style across all levels of club

2) "Performance" targets:
- to qualify for CL by finishing top 3 (minimum)
- to win a domestic trophy (preferably FA Cup)
- to reach knockout stages (or better) of CL
- to do all of above through playing attractive / possession based attacking football.

Clearly lots of posters on BM don't really do "reading between the lines".

Mancini was not sacked because of the team's results this year...it was because he manifestly failed to engage in any of the "holistic" targets that he was being given.
In fact it was the opposite and he was openly attacking medical staff / players / executive colleagues / PR staff in a very public manner.

The list of failed targets cited by the club was a PUBLIC EXPLANATION / EXCUSE for getting rid of Mancini...but the real reason was that he refused to operate in a constructive / collaborative manner with the other parts of the club.
He boxed himself into a corner where he labelled himself a "winner" and didn't care about other depts.
N.B. the interview given by Soriano to Italian press : "Mancini is a winner - I say no more" - now we see real context of quote.
When you are only a "winner" + you stop winning...you are in trouble.

I would say that if we had not won the league last year + someone like Pellegrini had come in this season...he would NOT be sacked based on this season's results...providing he was ticking all the boxes under "holistic" and it was generally felt the overall structure of the club was moving in the right direction.

People saying that the new manager will be sacked if he doesn't win the league in his first season are talking nonsense.

p.s. all of the above is why Mourinho will not be coming + if not Pellegrini it will be a Klopp / De Boer type appointment.

A well balance post SB.

 

[George Hannah]

I have to admit something. I'm completely baffled by the "get out of the group stage of the CL" statements. Whether you lose in the group stage or lose in the final... you still lose.

it's a money thing

 

[spiny]

New Manager's Targets + Expectations (whether Pellegrini or someone else):

1) "Holistic targets":
- to work closely with academy staff + encourage young talent
- to work closely + co-operatively with Dir of football (Txiki) to identify + bring in transfer targets (within FFP guidelines)
- to work closely with both of above to introduce similar football ethos + playing style across all levels of club

2) "Performance" targets:
- to qualify for CL by finishing top 3 (minimum)
- to win a domestic trophy (preferably FA Cup)
- to reach knockout stages (or better) of CL
- to do all of above through playing attractive / possession based attacking football.

Clearly lots of posters on BM don't really do "reading between the lines".

Mancini was not sacked because of the team's results this year...it was because he manifestly failed to engage in any of the "holistic" targets that he was being given.
In fact it was the opposite and he was openly attacking medical staff / players / executive colleagues / PR staff in a very public manner.

The list of failed targets cited by the club was a PUBLIC EXPLANATION / EXCUSE for getting rid of Mancini...but the real reason was that he refused to operate in a constructive / collaborative manner with the other parts of the club.
He boxed himself into a corner where he labelled himself a "winner" and didn't care about other depts.
N.B. the interview given by Soriano to Italian press : "Mancini is a winner - I say no more" - now we see real context of quote.
When you are only a "winner" + you stop winning...you are in trouble.

I would say that if we had not won the league last year + someone like Pellegrini had come in this season...he would NOT be sacked based on this season's results...providing he was ticking all the boxes under "holistic" and it was generally felt the overall structure of the club was moving in the right direction.

People saying that the new manager will be sacked if he doesn't win the league in his first season are talking nonsense.

p.s. all of the above is why Mourinho will not be coming + if not Pellegrini it will be a Klopp / De Boer type appointment.

Great post. Says it all.

 

[Salado De Bap]

New Manager's Targets + Expectations (whether Pellegrini or someone else):

1) "Holistic targets":
- to work closely with academy staff + encourage young talent
- to work closely + co-operatively with Dir of football (Txiki) to identify + bring in transfer targets (within FFP guidelines)
- to work closely with both of above to introduce similar football ethos + playing style across all levels of club

2) "Performance" targets:
- to qualify for CL by finishing top 3 (minimum)
- to win a domestic trophy (preferably FA Cup)
- to reach knockout stages (or better) of CL
- to do all of above through playing attractive / possession based attacking football.

Clearly lots of posters on BM don't really do "reading between the lines".

Mancini was not sacked because of the team's results this year...it was because he manifestly failed to engage in any of the "holistic" targets that he was being given.
In fact it was the opposite and he was openly attacking medical staff / players / executive colleagues / PR staff in a very public manner.

The list of failed targets cited by the club was a PUBLIC EXPLANATION / EXCUSE for getting rid of Mancini...but the real reason was that he refused to operate in a constructive / collaborative manner with the other parts of the club.
He boxed himself into a corner where he labelled himself a "winner" and didn't care about other depts.
N.B. the interview given by Soriano to Italian press : "Mancini is a winner - I say no more" - now we see real context of quote.
When you are only a "winner" + you stop winning...you are in trouble.

I would say that if we had not won the league last year + someone like Pellegrini had come in this season...he would NOT be sacked based on this season's results...providing he was ticking all the boxes under "holistic" and it was generally felt the overall structure of the club was moving in the right direction.

People saying that the new manager will be sacked if he doesn't win the league in his first season are talking nonsense.

p.s. all of the above is why Mourinho will not be coming + if not Pellegrini it will be a Klopp / De Boer type appointment.

Really good post.

Sat in the office actually clapping this post sums it up in a nutshell for me but am actually still astonished that so many fellow blues are struggling to understand the deep seated reasoning behind Mancini's departure and the impending arrival of a more "holistic" managerial appointment.

As has been said managers who are just "winners" only are fantastic on a short term basis to provide the required immediate silverware and in our case winning mentality, as Mourinho has also provided everywhere he has been , but for longer term progress and sustainable success once this approach runs its natural course, there is little tangible foundation to be found. No obvious youth policy and a definite split amongst playing staff (Real Madrid and City suffering similarly).

We have to be realistic and just take an emotional step back from our undoubted love and gratitude for what has been achieved over the last 3 magnificent years of Mancini's reign and as fans of the club we should be applauding their foresight and the fact this future sustainability of the club is absolute paramount to the intelligent owners of our club.

Yes lessons do need to be learned on how we handled the whole sorry farce of Mancin's inevitable departure but more importantly than this is I for one don't want us to be the next Blackburn or Leeds of the 90's where we win 1 title and don't have the correct building blocks in place to follow this up with continued success for years to come which now includes CL. Unfortunately the sacrifice of short term pain is therefore the only way they could bring this back into focus and so if you couple this with the massive investment in the new Academy/training development they have quite rightly felt Mancini's lack of buy in to this was proving too detrimental in achieving theirs and what should be our true vision.

Time will of course tell with Pellegrini's immediate impact on a first team level but I am totally and utterly convinced that this decision will have nothing less than an extremely positive impact on the club as a whole and that can only benefit us all irrespective of how shit we feel at this precise moment. Remember it has always been CTWD !!

 

[skybluecelt1990]

New Manager's Targets + Expectations (whether Pellegrini or someone else):

1) "Holistic targets":
- to work closely with academy staff + encourage young talent
- to work closely + co-operatively with Dir of football (Txiki) to identify + bring in transfer targets (within FFP guidelines)
- to work closely with both of above to introduce similar football ethos + playing style across all levels of club

2) "Performance" targets:
- to qualify for CL by finishing top 3 (minimum)
- to win a domestic trophy (preferably FA Cup)
- to reach knockout stages (or better) of CL
- to do all of above through playing attractive / possession based attacking football.

Clearly lots of posters on BM don't really do "reading between the lines".

Mancini was not sacked because of the team's results this year...it was because he manifestly failed to engage in any of the "holistic" targets that he was being given.
In fact it was the opposite and he was openly attacking medical staff / players / executive colleagues / PR staff in a very public manner.

The list of failed targets cited by the club was a PUBLIC EXPLANATION / EXCUSE for getting rid of Mancini...but the real reason was that he refused to operate in a constructive / collaborative manner with the other parts of the club.
He boxed himself into a corner where he labelled himself a "winner" and didn't care about other depts.
N.B. the interview given by Soriano to Italian press : "Mancini is a winner - I say no more" - now we see real context of quote.
When you are only a "winner" + you stop winning...you are in trouble.

I would say that if we had not won the league last year + someone like Pellegrini had come in this season...he would NOT be sacked based on this season's results...providing he was ticking all the boxes under "holistic" and it was generally felt the overall structure of the club was moving in the right direction.

People saying that the new manager will be sacked if he doesn't win the league in his first season are talking nonsense.

p.s. all of the above is why Mourinho will not be coming + if not Pellegrini it will be a Klopp / De Boer type appointment.

Great post. Says it all.

Brilliant post.

When I think of how this club will be when all the components come together it sends shivers of excitement through me. We have the architects of the greatest team in history at the helm and with the addition of a Pellegrini type head coach and a few more quality signings not to mention the new City campus we will be out of this world.

Despite all the snipes about the sacking and the apparent lack of stability, every non-City supporter will, deep down, be terrified about the sky blue future that awaits.

 

[taconinja]

I have to admit something. I'm completely baffled by the "get out of the group stage of the CL" statements. Whether you lose in the group stage or lose in the final... you still lose.

it's a money thing

I meant from a supporter's perspective, or do we really care that much about profitability? I thought that was only Arsenal supporters as they really only compete for the Wenger Cup these days.