Pep Guardiola - 2020/21 Performances

[mccity]

No offence, again, I ask for your counterpoint. There is nothing crass in what I ask.

You can't say he cares and not back it up. I see no evidence that he cares about it, and in fact is worse at it than any of the other managers in the top 6.

He throws opportunities away more than any other manager I've ever seen.

None of that says he doesn't care though. He still gives them the occasional minutes and appearances over the years. And Pep has a history of not playing players for the sake of it, including senior players.


And I stand by my comment. It is crass. To act like he doesn't care at all is an overreaction and it's disappointing to see usually level headed posters fall foul here. You can say he doesn't care as much as you'd like, or as much as he should, and I'd find it tough to argue. But to say not at all is childish and crass.

 

[Clercqs]

None of that says he doesn't care though. He still gives them the occasional minutes and appearances over the years. And Pep has a history of not playing players for the sake of it, including senior players.


And I stand by my comment. It is crass. To act like he doesn't care at all is an overreaction and it's disappointing to see usually level headed posters fall foul here. You can say he doesn't care as much as you'd like, or as much as he should, and I'd find it tough to argue. But to say not at all is childish and crass.

Of course he cares to some extent. I don't think he cares enough though for the sake of the academy players.

 

[mccity]

Of course he cares to some extent. I don't think he cares enough though for the sake of the academy players.

I'm too in the dark to know for sure honestly, but your comment is far more reasonable than the ones I was replying too.

 

[WallyA]

None of that says he doesn't care though. He still gives them the occasional minutes and appearances over the years. And Pep has a history of not playing players for the sake of it, including senior players.


And I stand by my comment. It is crass. To act like he doesn't care at all is an overreaction and it's disappointing to see usually level headed posters fall foul here. You can say he doesn't care as much as you'd like, or as much as he should, and I'd find it tough to argue. But to say not at all is childish and crass.

Honestly, your not making any sense.

You think its an overreaction and are disappointed with level header posters, when you haven't offered any evidence to your point, and I have.

Nothing crass about it, he doesn't care. If you want to be pedantic about it, okay, he cares very little, is that better? If your problem was with my wording there, that's a strange take imo because you've ignored the context of what I was saying.

That's my problem, and I'm complaining about it. It's weird that you have a problem with my perception, when maybe you should take a second to try and understand my view instead of saying I'm wrong with nothing to show for it.

 

[itisrising]

You do know that Sterling scored tonight dont you?

No need to apologise mate. You just don't understand football.

I'm aware Sterling scored in a meaningless game. I'm also aware Gundogan picked up an ankle injury after playing just 4 days prior against Fulham. I'm also aware that you seem to have a binary understanding of football; the idea that there's no inbetween that you can have a great manager that has made a wrong decision. You've just waffled endlessly about topping the group, clean sheets and records that have no relevance and is an attempt at pure deflection.

 

[mccity]

Honestly, your not making any sense.

You think its an overreaction and are disappointed with level header posters, when you haven't offered any evidence to your point, and I have.

Nothing crass about it, he doesn't care.

That's my problem, and I'm complaining about it. It's weird that you have a problem with my perception, when maybe you should take a second to try and understand my view instead of saying I'm wrong with nothing to show for it.

I do, I've read yours and many other posters posts. They all have valid arguments as to whether Pep is or in this case isn't playing academy players as much as he ought to.

But you've used an extreme choice of language to say that he doesn't care at all. To me that lack of nuance is always going to warrant me pointing it out and calling you for it. The evidence of this man's career at 3 clubs as manager is that he relishes developing young players, and he's done an excellent job so far with Foden. He was all in on Diaz and Sancho too, he didn't want to lose them. He's genuinely effusive in praise for Doyle and Palmer, and Garcia has been used in a load of games in the past few months. That to me says he cares more than nothing. Maybe not much, but not nothing.

Maybe YOU should take a look to see my point of view. I've only addressed your overreactive statement, not your opinion on Pep's general choices. Address my point, lead by example.

 

[Kazzydeyna]

I'm aware Sterling scored in a meaningless game. I'm also aware Gundogan picked up an ankle injury after playing just 4 days prior against Fulham. I'm also aware that you seem to have a binary understanding of football; the idea that there's no inbetween that you can have a great manager that has made a wrong decision. You've just waffled endlessly about topping the group, clean sheets and records that have no relevance and is an attempt at pure deflection.

Whats the wrong decision? Putting out a team that wln 3-0?
Putting out a team that produced the best group stage in the clubs history? Joint best of any English team?

With a big game at weekend I think he made the right choice tonight, keeping players likely to play involved, continuing the momentum from the last few weeks, another clean sheet with a young keeper in net.

If this was late April and we'd won the league a few weeks prior and had nothing left to play for id agree with you but its not. Its early December, about to enter a hugely important run of fixtures at a crucial point of the season and disrupting the flow of the team to give a couple of kids game time 4 days before a Derby, I'm sorry, I don't get it.

Pep will be proven right come seasons end and then we'll all be celebrating.

 

[WallyA]

I do, I've read yours and many other posters posts. They all have valid arguments as to whether Pep is or in this case isn't playing academy players as much as he ought to.

But you've used an extreme choice of language to say that he doesn't care at all. To me that lack of nuance is always going to warrant me pointing it out and calling you for it. The evidence of this man's career at 3 clubs as manager is that he relishes developing young players, and he's done an excellent job so far with Foden. He was all in on Diaz and Sancho too, he didn't want to lose them. He's genuinely effusive in praise for Doyle and Palmer, and Garcia has been used in a load of games in the past few months. That to me says he cares more than nothing. Maybe not much, but not nothing.

Maybe YOU should take a look to see my point of view. I've only addressed your overreactive statement, not your opinion on Pep's general choices. Address my point, lead by example.

1) Extreme language to say he doesn't care, fine fair, then there isn't a single manager in the world who doesn't care about their youth set-up, but if you could read context, then you could interpret it as caring very little. To honestly have a problem with that part of the wording is so strange to me and shows to me you made no effort to understand my context and decided to get angry about it.

2) When Pep came here, people were talking about Pep's use of youth at Barca and Bayern. This is his 5th year here, how long do we hold onto that? It's not a useful stat imo.

3) Actions speak louder than words. Pep says alot of words about some of our academy players, but his actions show very little care regarding minutes.

I have addressed your points.

We will not agree here I think, I don't see any effort on your part to understand my position and why I was unhappy with this.

There were good points to the game. Dinho and Aguero came back and got minutes, clean sheet, some minutes, and a win.

But overall, coming into this game, I wanted to see the kids play and was disappointed, is this hard to empathize with?

 

[mccity]

1) Extreme language to say he doesn't care, fine fair, then there isn't a single manager in the world who doesn't care about their youth set-up, but if you could read context, then you could interpret it as caring very little. To honestly have a problem with that part of the wording is so strange to me and shows to me you made no effort to understand my context and decided to get angry about it.

2) When Pep came here, people were talking about Pep's use of youth at Barca and Bayern. This is his 5th year here, how long do we hold onto that? It's not a useful stat imo.

3) Actions speak louder than words. Pep says alot of words about some of our academy players, but his actions show very little care regarding minutes.

I have addressed your points.

We will not agree here I think, I don't see any effort on your part to understand my position and why I was unhappy with this.

There were good points to the game. Dinho and Aguero came back and got minutes, clean sheet, some minutes, and a win.

But overall, coming into this game, I wanted to see the kids play and was disappointed, is this not hard to empathize with?

Yeah, you were using extreme language. That was my one and only point. Glad we can agree on something.

I was never critiquing your general opinion. I never stated whether I was ok with Pep's usage of academy talent or not.

 

[WallyA]

Yeah, you were using extreme language. That was my one and only point. Glad we can agree on something.

What a strange thing to take away from all of this, I guess this is pointless.