Pep Guardiola - 2024/25

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I think great managers should be able to manage out of a crisis

Not sure Pep has done that, it's been quite shocking just how badly he has struggled to adapt and the fact he persist with the same issues week in week out is the real worry

When it's going great, he's the best ever but he's never really had to struggle untill now and he's just not been up to it

Wouldn't be anyone I'd trust to rebuild the team than him though, just ened to get this season finished with top 4 and hopefully no humiliation in the champions league

Pep needs a recharge as much as the players do, sadly this stupid club World cup is gonna fuck that up (yea money is good but what's the point if the squad are spent)
 
handsofstone said:
I think great managers should be able to manage out of a crisis

Not sure Pep has done that, it's been quite shocking just how badly he has struggled to adapt and the fact he persist with the same issues week in week out is the real worry

When it's going great, he's the best ever but he's never really had to struggle untill now and he's just not been up to it

Wouldn't be anyone I'd trust to rebuild the team than him though, just ened to get this season finished with top 4 and hopefully no humiliation in the champions league

Pep needs a recharge as much as the players do, sadly this stupid club World cup is gonna fuck that up (yea money is good but what's the point if the squad are spent)
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What counts as managing out of a crisis? Ferguson went 3 seasons without winning the title between 2004 and 2007. Klopp finished 3rd, 2nd, 5th and 3rd in the last 4 seasons at Liverpool. Was that managing out of a crisis?
 
handsofstone said:
I think great managers should be able to manage out of a crisis

Not sure Pep has done that, it's been quite shocking just how badly he has struggled to adapt and the fact he persist with the same issues week in week out is the real worry

When it's going great, he's the best ever but he's never really had to struggle untill now and he's just not been up to it

Wouldn't be anyone I'd trust to rebuild the team than him though, just ened to get this season finished with top 4 and hopefully no humiliation in the champions league

Pep needs a recharge as much as the players do, sadly this stupid club World cup is gonna fuck that up (yea money is good but what's the point if the squad are spent)
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We're fourth, not fourteenth.

If we finish in a CL spot for next season and have a good tilt at the cups that's a good effort for a transition season.

We'll be right back at it next season with a couple of good signings.
 
Mr Grumpy said:
I really can't understand a word Pep says.
I hear the words, it is the order and structure of the sentences that baffle me.

He deliberately talks a load of bollox in pressers for sure.

A controversial opinion i imagine....
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I definitely think he gets misunderstood by journalists

Also think when he is tired and stressed his English is less coherent (understandable). When all is good he speaks well.
 
alexmcity said:
What counts as managing out of a crisis? Ferguson went 3 seasons without winning the title between 2004 and 2007. Klopp finished 3rd, 2nd, 5th and 3rd in the last 4 seasons at Liverpool. Was that managing out of a crisis?
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Exactly
 
uwerosler28 said:
Got it wrong tonight despite the outcome, should have stuck with the system against Chelsea
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Not defending his selection. No way. However, the way Chelsea and Brugge set their stalls out is chalk and cheese.

I think there was some element of serendipity about the Chelsea tactics. They played such a high line, with such poor defending, that they brought destruction on themselves. We were fast and incisive for once but I don’t expect that to be the blueprint moving forward.
 
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handsofstone said:
I think great managers should be able to manage out of a crisis

Not sure Pep has done that, it's been quite shocking just how badly he has struggled to adapt and the fact he persist with the same issues week in week out is the real worry

When it's going great, he's the best ever but he's never really had to struggle untill now and he's just not been up to it

Wouldn't be anyone I'd trust to rebuild the team than him though, just ened to get this season finished with top 4 and hopefully no humiliation in the champions league

Pep needs a recharge as much as the players do, sadly this stupid club World cup is gonna fuck that up (yea money is good but what's the point if the squad are spent)
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I understand criticism is a way for improvement but I found something very off logically in your critics.
First, it is just not true to remark that Pep haven’t shown his ability to manage out of a crisis. I didn’t watch City for long but I cannot imagine there is no hiccups In his past 8 seasons. the fact that city were a dominant team in EPL and one of in UCL for so many years means Pep has the ability to manage out of crisis of various types and didn’t let issues develop to crisis. The issues this year are multiple factored and Pep is getting on it in multiple frontiers. I heard Pep’s divorce was linked to his contract extension. It’s like lost his wife and half of the earnings to get a chance to manage the team out annd all he need from supporters is trust based on his past 8 years.

Second, when you said how shockingly bad Pep is to adapt and commit the same mistakes week in week out, did you happen to ask yourself maybe Pep understand the issue much deeper than your understanding of football’s correct or wrong? I know a lot of professional commentators who can apparently pin point the issues on the pitch but shit the bed when they really coach a championship league team, which means they don’t really understand what’s really correct or wrong in managing a team. These are former big 6 players and supposed to know football much better than average supporters.
 
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Yue Wollongong said:
I understand criticism is a way for improvement but I found something very off logically in your critics.
First, it is just not true to remark that Pep haven’t shown his ability to manage out of a crisis. I didn’t watch City for long but I cannot imagine there is no hiccups In his past 8 seasons. the fact that city were a dominant team in EPL and one of in UCL for so many years means Pep has the ability to manage out of crisis of various types and didn’t let issues develop to crisis. The issues this year are multiple factored and Pep is getting on it in multiple frontiers. I heard Pep’s divorce was linked to his contract extension. It’s like lost his wife and half of the earnings to get a chance to manage the team out annd all he need from supporters is trust based on his past 8 years.

Second, when you said how shockingly bad Pep is to adapt and commit the same mistakes week in week out, did you happen to ask yourself maybe Pep understand the issue much deeper than your understanding of football’s correct or wrong? I know a lot of professional commentators who can apparently pin point the issues on the pitch but shit the bed when they really coach a championship league team, which means they don’t really understand what’s really correct or wrong in managing a team. These are former big 6 players and supposed to know football much better than average supporters
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Leo Tolstoy would have been proud of that.
 
It’s about time every City fan pushes to get Pep a knighthood it’s a fuckin joke this great man hasn’t been recognised as the greatest premier league manager of all time .
 
handsofstone said:
I think great managers should be able to manage out of a crisis

Not sure Pep has done that, it's been quite shocking just how badly he has struggled to adapt and the fact he persist with the same issues week in week out is the real worry

When it's going great, he's the best ever but he's never really had to struggle untill now and he's just not been up to it

Wouldn't be anyone I'd trust to rebuild the team than him though, just ened to get this season finished with top 4 and hopefully no humiliation in the champions league

Pep needs a recharge as much as the players do, sadly this stupid club World cup is gonna fuck that up (yea money is good but what's the point if the squad are spent)
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What is the reason it's almost always going great everywhere he's been?

Is he really the luckiest manager in the history of football or could it be something else? 17 years of going great.

The reason he has never had to "struggle" is this: he's so smart and works so hard that crises don't happen. He stops them emerging before other managers would even have recognised they were going to happen. The reason the best clubs employ him is he is the best.

Do you seriously think it's not a struggle to achieve what he's achieved? The difference between winning the league titles and not is one goal in a season going the other way.

Nobody else in history has done 100 points or 4 in a row. He's the only person who's ever figured that out. You don't think it might have been a bit of a struggle to do that?

In the last few months his team, still club world cup champions, has reached the end of a cycle, and in his personal life his marriage ended. I don't know how you reach "just not been up to it". Please show the guy a little empathy. I promise you City will never have a better manager ever again.
 
EL APACHE TEVEZ said:
He can still be recognized as a knight you know even though he’s a Catalan
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I know. I was being facetious :)

The chances of that coming about while we are the most hated club in British football history is next to zero.

You realise these gongs are awarded for popularity contests and funny handshake thank you's, dont you?

Until we are cleared completely and Pep wins 2 more chumps league titles it is futile. Less than futile.
 
handsofstone said:
I think great managers should be able to manage out of a crisis

Not sure Pep has done that, it's been quite shocking just how badly he has struggled to adapt and the fact he persist with the same issues week in week out is the real worry

When it's going great, he's the best ever but he's never really had to struggle untill now and he's just not been up to it

Wouldn't be anyone I'd trust to rebuild the team than him though, just ened to get this season finished with top 4 and hopefully no humiliation in the champions league

Pep needs a recharge as much as the players do, sadly this stupid club World cup is gonna fuck that up (yea money is good but what's the point if the squad are spent)
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Yeah, you’re probably never going to see him manage an average team to see how he does. At the same time you could argue he got the most from the squad that looked a bit short the previous 2 seasons and managed to win a treble and 2 premier leagues. It’s easy to forget that treble season we looked nowhere near the 100 points side or the domestic treble team for about 6 months of that season. So getting them to play as they did for that few months to win the treble was unbelievable on his part!

This season is the first big drop off. Yes we’ve now started spending but we seem to be coming through our terrible form before the new signings have really contributed anything. So if we can get top 4 and have a good cup run or 2 i’d say he’s managed through some kind of crises. He’s the only manager in this whole period who’s side have managed to be so consistent at winning titles.
 
He wants out but won’t walk

Shocking team set up & management again.

Love him but he’s done sadly not helped by his mates in the board with shit transfers.

The board have killed this team
 
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