Pep Guardiola - 2024/25

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sir baconface said:
Thanks for a reasoned response.

Was Chelsea a real change of tactics or an opportunist response by the players to their suicidal high line and sloppy defending? Ironically, we exploited it the same way as many have cut through ours. Whatever, Arsenal brought us back down to Earth with a bump.

Fair comments about Pep’s private life possibly having a bearing.
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Oh I think to be fair with Chelsea I meant more the way he moved the full backs very high and then had Marmoush and Haaland dropping and running in behind alternately. Gvardiol was left back but he kept breaking behind their defensive line in the first half. Nunes actually put in a couple of good crosses from the right which isn't like him.

Agree their high line was suicidal but I gave Pep credit for adjusting to that in game cos we saw a noticeable adjustment in the second half. If that was just improvisation by the players then why didn't they do it in the first half?

They did fall to shit against Arsenal but you were originally asking for evidence of him trying to adjust so that's what I'm pointing out. I'm not saying he's solved it yet but I think it's not reasonable to say he's not showing signs of trying to fix the issues.

More generally I don't care if he doesn't fix it this season. One bad season in nine makes him easily the best City manager of my entire lifetime twice over.
 
Dobsy said:
Oh I think to be fair with Chelsea I meant more the way he moved the full backs very high and then had Marmoush and Haaland dropping and running in behind alternately. Gvardiol was left back but he kept breaking behind their defensive line in the first half. Nunes actually put in a couple of good crosses from the right which isn't like him.

Agree their high line was suicidal but I gave Pep credit for adjusting to that in game cos we saw a noticeable adjustment in the second half. If that was just improvisation by the players then why didn't they do it in the first half?

They did fall to shit against Arsenal but you were originally asking for evidence of him trying to adjust so that's what I'm pointing out. I'm not saying he's solved it yet but I think it's not reasonable to say he's not showing signs of trying to fix the issues.

More generally I don't care if he doesn't fix it this season. One bad season in nine makes him easily the best City manager of my entire lifetime twice over.
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I don’t mind one bad season as long as there is evidence of a proper fix. If not, and the evidence so far is thin, I believe he will walk and we’ll have someone new next season. I can live with either although I’d be much happier if he does turn it round and stay longer.
 
69FACUPfinal said:
The marriage break up after so long, whatever the reasons are going to have a huge mental and physical impact on Pep. I've been there decades ago and it takes time and affects all aspects of every day life for months- even if it was a wanted/ unwanted parting of ways.
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I'm sure it hit him hard but it won't be so hard as they were already living apart for years.

Think there's degrees of seriousness..

1. completely blindsided and crushed
2. yeah it was expected
3. umm whatever
4. yeah I think divorce is a good idea
5. fucking hooray.. I can move on with my life

A mate went through divorce and I was surprised by his reaction.. it was #4.. he had gotten tired of being bossed around and loves being alone.

The funniest thing was even his cat hated his wife.
 
I think there is a stage
Blue_Lightsaber said:
I'm sure it hit him hard but it won't be so hard as they were already living apart for years.

Think there's degrees of seriousness..

1. completely blindsided and crushed
2. yeah it was expected
3. umm whatever
4. yeah I think divorce is a good idea
5. fucking hooray.. I can move on with my life

A mate went through divorce and I was surprised by his reaction.. it was #4.. he had gotten tired of being bossed around and loves being alone.

The funniest thing was even his cat hated his wife.
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I think there is a stage between 1 and 2. Knowing things aren't right, but trying and hoping to make it work, then at some point a realisation it's not going to. A half and half and still some tough soul searching decisions to be made

I am using this as an example where no third parties are involved providing ' comfort ' ( tabloid euphemism). I'm not speculating, it is their business, I just think there has been an impact. Last time I looked he was still wearing the wedding ring, quite what that means in these circumstances I know not what. I just hope both he and ex Missus find peace soon.

In the meantime I hope he can get to grips with getting his team out of this slump.
 
sir baconface said:
I’m also a passionate City fan of some sixty years’ standing. There’s only one thing in serious question here. It’s not Pep’s past superb record, when the stars have been aligned, but his ability to dig himself out of a hole and adapt to much changed circumstances.

Most of his game changers are now gone or finished, whilst every single manager can predict and counteract his once revolutionary tactics. He’s not faced similar circumstances before.
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Pep makes the game changers not the other way around. When the likes of Yaya, Silva and Aguero left he brought in worthy replacements, he has always faced situations like this and has excelled in the long run, he would turn this around.

All I would say is he needs to return to the old "cold hearted" Pep, the one the likes of Ibra despise till this day. This "cuddly, friend of all" Pep role is not for him, the old Pep would have trimmed the fuck out of this team, dump the deadweight and just keep it moving.
 
Fordyboy46 said:
Totally agree on our fitness levels, they've been so poor this season and like you say even the ones who haven't played a great deal seem to be struggling. Fitness is only part of the problem though unfortunately, love to know what else has happened
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what might be the problem? fitness coaches not doing good enough job or lack of fitness training all together? Without good high pressing , no chance of getting back to peps best football.
 
ken tali said:
what might be the problem? fitness coaches not doing good enough job or lack of fitness training all together? Without good high pressing , no chance of getting back to peps best football.
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Do you think we spent 8 years being one of the best and fittest teams off the ball to just stopping training properly because we can't be arsed. Or do you think it may be other reasons ?
 
blueparrot said:
Do you think we spent 8 years being one of the best and fittest teams off the ball to just stopping training properly because we can't be arsed. Or do you think it may be other reasons ?
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there could be many reasons, i don´t believe that suddenly all guys are now just old ,cant run etc. There could be deeper problems than that ,but i don´t know. Hopefully Pep gets this team back to top for next season.
 
sir baconface said:
I don’t mind one bad season as long as there is evidence of a proper fix. If not, and the evidence so far is thin, I believe he will walk and we’ll have someone new next season. I can live with either although I’d be much happier if he does turn it round and stay longer.
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We'll only really know a year from now I suppose.
 
ken tali said:
there could be many reasons, i don´t believe that suddenly all guys are now just old ,cant run etc. There could be deeper problems than that ,but i don´t know. Hopefully Pep gets this team back to top for next season.
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Think it's almost entirely down to age and time catching up with Kovacic,KDB and Gundogan. I doubt very much our coaching has changed this season other than to allow older players carring injuries to recover.
Next season the team and midfield will be much younger, and the energy and pressing will return.
 
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang said:
Pep makes the game changers not the other way around. When the likes of Yaya, Silva and Aguero left he brought in worthy replacements, he has always faced situations like this and has excelled in the long run, he would turn this around.

All I would say is he needs to return to the old "cold hearted" Pep, the one the likes of Ibra despise till this day. This "cuddly, friend of all" Pep role is not for him, the old Pep would have trimmed the fuck out of this team, dump the deadweight and just keep it moving.
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Are we running short of game changers, though, with Rodri temporarily out and KdB and others nearing the end of their City careers?

Or do we have potential game changers in our midst who just need another year or two to develop?
 
gaz76 said:
Lot of waving to the fans from pep, is he off?
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Oh my christ, we win and you reach like that? Have a stretch next time or else you'll pull something.

He's probably just grateful for the win and moving on in a competition we still have a decent chance of winning
 
ninjamonkey said:
Example today of what I've been saying all season. The personnel isn't the issue, it's Peps tactics. Set us up like that for Madrid and we will get smashed.
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I thought the same watching McAtee in that invisible role next to Omar upfront. We miss one player in build up. Inverting brings nothing.
 
This season is proving difficult with injuries but next season is also going to throw up difficult challenges, too. A larger squad of players, many young, means that there are going to be dips in form, and he's going to have to rotate more so as to keep more of them match sharp. That's been difficult this winter, with the reliance on old heads, so I'm hoping to see that challenge met full on in the closing months and not postponed until August.
 
Having a well deserved year off although wish he hadn't left his risk averse boring as fuck sideways obsessed twin brother in charge. Still I like the way he decides to finally coach the players for 2 minutes after the match rather than all week.
 
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