Pep Guardiola - 2024/25

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Luddite_Blue said:
It's the easiest thing in the world to judge with hindsight, especially when actively downplaying how difficult it is to keep a team at the top.

This thread is just full of posters flying kites wanting to be the first to say that Pep is the next Arsene Wenger and thinking that makes them some sort of footballing visionary.

So having last season won 4 titles in a row for the first time in the history of English football and then to get players who were mentally and physically shattered and hit by an horrendous injury crisis into 4th place and the FA Cup final, what is it exactly that causes you to question Pep's ability to keep going? Are we meant to just win the league every single year no matter what and without spending noticeably more than other clubs?

There's going to be a natural drop off after winning a treble. Is your idea then that we should just get rid of the manager at this point? No need for any respect nor loyalty, you just want some sort of hybrid Chelsea/Real Madrid strategy. Do you think that's going to help in attracting future potential treble winning managers?
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Great post
 
Bluewonder said:
Shocked to see Lavender Past being a **** again. Oh, wait, no I'm not.
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Wasn't he called out as a none city fan years ago!? That's the thing on here no one knows mainly whose a city supporter but do know a lot city fans who are mainly negative mindset no matter how many footballing records we breaks how many world class players we have had they'll always find something wrong! It's just there character if can't be helped!
 
waspish said:
Wasn't he called out as a none city fan years ago!? That's the thing on here no one knows mainly whose a city supporter but do know a lot city fans who are mainly negative mindset no matter how many footballing records we breaks how many world class players we have had they'll always find something wrong! It's just there character if can't be helped!
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I have one, only one, Blue mate who hates Pep. I find it bizarre because he claims we have never played good football under Pep, which is just not true.
 
waspish said:
You win more trophies being robotic and controlling games the problem now is few of our players lost the hunger looking to move on or expecting to move on!
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You have to agree though that when we won the treble we played some great stuff. Ushited home, Liverpool home, Arsenal, Bayern and Madrid all spring to mind. Not so much the season after, but like you say we still won the league being more controlled.
 
eastmanc said:
You have to agree though that when we won the treble we played some great stuff. Ushited home, Liverpool home, Arsenal, Bayern and Madrid all spring to mind. Not so much the season after, but like you say we still won the league being more controlled.
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Yep but previous season where media was calling Pep out saying premier is different helped for the following season teams didn't park the bus! We just need players playing passing quicker movement one touch passing to beat parked buses.
 
waspish said:
Wasn't he called out as a none city fan years ago!? That's the thing on here no one knows mainly whose a city supporter but do know a lot city fans who are mainly negative mindset no matter how many footballing records we breaks how many world class players we have had they'll always find something wrong! It's just there character if can't be helped!
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I've no idea how he gets away with it
 
Great Kompany said:
Pep has made me watch us win 100s of games where we are 3-0 up by half time. So yes I do have patience to see what Pep has for us next season and he remains the greatest of all time.

But here is one point that still irks me - Our football is so fucking boring. I just want to go back to the Sane Aguero Sterling days with DSilva KDB and Ferna behind. We just don't play attractive football.
If Pep wants me to do a Mourinho where the team would play okay football and still win trophies I wouldn't even mind it but I just want us to play one match Barca Hansi flick style.
That El clasico last week with that 4-3 win Man I was entertained! Is it too much to ask for Pep to do the same ?
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I bet you were moaning when we drew with Chelsea 4-4 last season!
 
Great Kompany said:
Pep has made me watch us win 100s of games where we are 3-0 up by half time. So yes I do have patience to see what Pep has for us next season and he remains the greatest of all time.

But here is one point that still irks me - Our football is so fucking boring. I just want to go back to the Sane Aguero Sterling days with DSilva KDB and Ferna behind. We just don't play attractive football.
If Pep wants me to do a Mourinho where the team would play okay football and still win trophies I wouldn't even mind it but I just want us to play one match Barca Hansi flick style.
That El clasico last week with that 4-3 win Man I was entertained! Is it too much to ask for Pep to do the same ?
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Yes.

Even Barca don't play like that most of the time
 
callumcity said:
The average level of the PL is far and away better than any other league, perhaps our best sides this season don’t currently match up to the best 4/5 sides in Europe but firmly believe there’s sides in the bottom half of Spain, Germany, Italy and France that wouldn’t get out of the Championship, never mind stay up in the prem.
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To be fair we have got sides in the bottom half of the premiership who will struggle or have to work to get out of the Championship without parachute payments.
 
Luddite_Blue said:
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England's club's UEFA coefficient is by a considerable amount the highest in Europe and indeed the difference between England's coefficient in 1st and Italy's coefficient in 2nd is greater than the difference between Germany and France 's coefficients in 4th and 5th. Is every league in Europe vastly overrated and over hyped then?
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Probably yes. I think the standard of top sides in general is going through a bit of lull. Certainly less great players about at the moment than say 10/15 years ago. Suppose it goes through cycles.
 
Damocles said:
Yes.

Even Barca don't play like that most of the time
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To a point i agree you can’t play free flowing football very easily when teams just park the bus. That’s why some of the games against Klopp’s Liverpool were so good as they were one of the only teams who’d have a go against us. However, teams have been parking the bus against us for years and we’d usually still open them up plenty of times. The rigid way we play now and how slowly we move the ball certainly makes it far harder for us to do that now.
 
mcfcbill91 said:
There was a mistake on Saturday in playing little width, but it appears to have stemmed from Southampton's back five previously being pulled open by someone holding a wide position. To that extent, our set up was to look and take advantage of underlapping runs into the space or tight spaces.

He sought to fix it at half time by bringing Doku on - we did everything but score in the second half.

Everyone is aware of the issues with the squad, which have been exacerbated by repeated injury issues this season too. The club have had to juggle the 115 nonsense for 2 years also.

The decisions on keeping players after the treble and last season are a lot more nuanced than they may appear now. You would be breaking up a team of serial winners who have shown the ability to win titles on the last day, bounce back from CL semi & final defeats etc.

Regarding the style of play comments - the PL is now full of teams that play some of the worst football possible with expensive players. Low block defending followed by pinning your back line with wing backs so they can seek to launch vertical attacks. Look how many games are won by the side with the least possession.

Emery, Frank and a number of other managers couldn't coach consistent title winning football. Villa at the Etihad was almost comical, if they couldn't get through they would go back to the Martinez to try and then play a vertical combination.

We encounter this low block defending weekly - it requires patient play to pull the shape apart and then the shift in tempo. It's difficult to do this with a consistent team and we've had numerous games where a 1-0 has done in title winning seasons. When there's so much uncertainty about the best eleven at the club, it's that much more difficult.

I would be interested to know how else these low blocks can be taken apart on a consistent basis.
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There's been plenty of games this season where we didn't face low blocks In fact we were pinned back and well beaten.
Slow boring football is killing the joy of watching City. If we're going to fail at least do it in a entertaining manner. Nice fast passes quick movement, runners, shots and crosses and in the final analysis there's nothing wrong with a good hoof to the centre forward , a knock down and a runner to lash it into the net.
 
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Craig said:
To a point i agree you can’t play free flowing football very easily when teams just park the bus. That’s why some of the games against Klopp’s Liverpool were so good as they were one of the only teams who’d have a go against us. However, teams have been parking the bus against us for years and we’d usually still open them up plenty of times. The rigid way we play now and how slowly we move the ball certainly makes it far harder for us to do that now.
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Yep, I have no complaints with anyone parking the bus, why wouldn't they when they see how slow and boring we play and can just hold a shape and shut us out. That is the bonus for Saturday, Palace will try to play, they may cause damage but we will have more space and opportunities.
 
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