supercrystal7 said:Bayern's twitter quoting what Pep said about the match.
"The reason we lost is that we didn't play with the ball enough amongst ourselves.”
Sadly the big clubs (not Dortmund obviously) are in the hands of awful managers like Keller. Bayern also had an incredible aura of invincibility so players panicked when they got chances and missed them. Even so the teams with good managers like Mainz and Gladbach run them close. It was clear that if the weaker teams in the Bundesliga could do that against them then a top CL team would destroy them.BigOscar said:He has gone backwards as a manager, getting too fixated on the possesion and not enough on the pressing that made Barca so good. For me, his best Barca team was the one that had physicality and directness with Eto'o, Henry and Messi as the front 3, then Yaya in midfield and the excellent Abidal at LB. He had success after that, but that was his best team imo, much harder to deal with than his more recent teams.
His complete disregard for any defensive structure beyond not letting the opposition have the ball is starting to make him look very one dimensional and very beatable. It makes you wonder what the rest of the Bundesliga is up to, do the worse off teams not park the bus? We get it every other week!
AucklandBlue said:Bayern were setup as a very direct team under Heynckes. Similar to Liverpool this season albeit with by far better players. IIRC Bayern met only 1 team who ‘parked the bus’ against them last season and that was BATE who beat them 3-1 in the group stage. The signs were also there the season before, in the manner of their defeat v Chelsea in the previous CL final.
When we met Bayern early in the season they were still playing direct football and we were adjusting to a new system and high defensive line. Our game in Munich almost mirrors that of the one at Anfield. They came flying out of the traps and went 2-0 up, after 20mins we were very much the better team only this time we went on to win (I’m sure we’d have won at Anfield too if not for Kompany’s mistake).
Bayern are weak in the middle of their defence (especially since the absence of Badstuber), they have no creative threat through the middle and lack a world class striker. Ancellotti is a very good manager and would have seen how a naff but well organised United side nullified Bayern and that they are prone to the counter. If Welbeck can cause them problems imagine what Ronaldo and Bale would do (and did).
I expect Guardiola to address a few issues with them during the summer, mainly at the back and add a creative midfielder. The striker situation has already been addressed with Lewandowski joining them. I wouldn’t be surprised to see both Muller and Robben leave as they don’t suit Peps system. Put players like Kompany and Silva in the positions I’ve highlighted below and they’d be phenomenal.
Neuer
Lahm Martinez CH? Alalab
Thiago Sweinsteiger
Goetze AM? Ribery
Lewandowski
It's madness, I mean he took Mandzukic off at half time when they were 0:3 down as if they needed more ball possession. The opposite what he should have done which is doubled down on strikers. Then 26 minutes later he puts Pizzaro in? (Mario Gomez would have come in handy too had he not sold him).lancs blue said:supercrystal7 said:Bayern's twitter quoting what Pep said about the match.
"The reason we lost is that we didn't play with the ball enough amongst ourselves.”
They had 69% possession FFS - who exactly were they playing the ball amongst - the ball boys??
JGL07 said:Bayern are effectively the architects of their own downfall.
They have systematically eliminated all domestic competition by picking off the best players from their rivals . They are now in an uncompetitive league and have deteriorated as a consequence.
Look at the competition in the Premier League and the Spanish League by comparison. It is quite possible that both championships could end up being the top two teams tied on points and settled by goal difference and head to head. Even with their recent wobbles, Bayern are 19 points clear of Borussia Dortmund.
I agree. But i also don't think Bayern are as good as everyone thinks neither. Of course they are very, very good! However, there isn't a centre half at Bayern as good as Puyol was, there aren't two midfielders at the quality of the double act of Iniesta and Xavi, there aren't front threes at the level of quality of Henry-Eto'o-Messi or then Villa-Messi-Pedro and there certainly isn't a player anywhere near the level of Messi at Bayern. The level of quality Guardiola had at Barcelona while he was there was frightening! This Bayern side are good, but no 2009-2011 Barcelona.Stanger said:This is enough proof that Pep isn't as great as some of you think.
He had an amazing set of talented and intelligent players at Barca that were good enough to implement his tiki-taka that was new to most teams and dominated. Once they got figured out he left (I really don't think it was a coincidence that he leaves after Madrid dominated him). He takes a year off waiting for an opportunity to coach another great team and who better than the kings of Europe. He signs for Bayern, the best team in the world, since he thinks it will be another easy time for people to think he's still good. Dominating the 1 horse race called the Bundesliga he was right, until he met the team he ran away from to begin with. Madrid won 4-0 in a city they have NEVER won in before, all credit to Pep and his very limited tactical skills.
Pep has absolutely no plan B, and is too obsessed with possession football. A manager adapts to different teams and different tactics but he just keeps playing the same thing over and over thinking "well it usually works". Pep is the most overrated coach in history
Stanger said:This is enough proof that Pep isn't as great as some of you think.
He had an amazing set of talented and intelligent players at Barca that were good enough to implement his tiki-taka that was new to most teams and dominated. Once they got figured out he left (I really don't think it was a coincidence that he leaves after Madrid dominated him). He takes a year off waiting for an opportunity to coach another great team and who better than the kings of Europe. He signs for Bayern, the best team in the world, since he thinks it will be another easy time for people to think he's still good. Dominating the 1 horse race called the Bundesliga he was right, until he met the team he ran away from to begin with. Madrid won 4-0 in a city they have NEVER won in before, all credit to Pep and his very limited tactical skills.
Pep has absolutely no plan B, and is too obsessed with possession football. A manager adapts to different teams and different tactics but he just keeps playing the same thing over and over thinking "well it usually works". Pep is the most overrated coach in history
Bluewonder said:Stanger said:This is enough proof that Pep isn't as great as some of you think.
He had an amazing set of talented and intelligent players at Barca that were good enough to implement his tiki-taka that was new to most teams and dominated. Once they got figured out he left (I really don't think it was a coincidence that he leaves after Madrid dominated him). He takes a year off waiting for an opportunity to coach another great team and who better than the kings of Europe. He signs for Bayern, the best team in the world, since he thinks it will be another easy time for people to think he's still good. Dominating the 1 horse race called the Bundesliga he was right, until he met the team he ran away from to begin with. Madrid won 4-0 in a city they have NEVER won in before, all credit to Pep and his very limited tactical skills.
Pep has absolutely no plan B, and is too obsessed with possession football. A manager adapts to different teams and different tactics but he just keeps playing the same thing over and over thinking "well it usually works". Pep is the most overrated coach in history
Probably the biggest load of nonsense I've ever seen. It takes time to teach the art of tiki-taka, and even Barca didn't hit their peak with the system until 2011. Give it another season and Bayern will be destroying the competition like Barca did.
:D Thought that was Barca and Madrid that were [allegedly] doing that. Surely it would have helped him in last nights tie then? ;)Danny Hoekman said:Perhaps Pep has stopped the players visiting that dodgy doc?
Stanger said:Bluewonder said:Stanger said:This is enough proof that Pep isn't as great as some of you think.
He had an amazing set of talented and intelligent players at Barca that were good enough to implement his tiki-taka that was new to most teams and dominated. Once they got figured out he left (I really don't think it was a coincidence that he leaves after Madrid dominated him). He takes a year off waiting for an opportunity to coach another great team and who better than the kings of Europe. He signs for Bayern, the best team in the world, since he thinks it will be another easy time for people to think he's still good. Dominating the 1 horse race called the Bundesliga he was right, until he met the team he ran away from to begin with. Madrid won 4-0 in a city they have NEVER won in before, all credit to Pep and his very limited tactical skills.
Pep has absolutely no plan B, and is too obsessed with possession football. A manager adapts to different teams and different tactics but he just keeps playing the same thing over and over thinking "well it usually works". Pep is the most overrated coach in history
Probably the biggest load of nonsense I've ever seen. It takes time to teach the art of tiki-taka, and even Barca didn't hit their peak with the system until 2011. Give it another season and Bayern will be destroying the competition like Barca did.
You can come back and say that is nonsense when Bayern are actually destroying teams like u suggest.
So far, as it stands, Bayern have regressed from what they were last season. Possession football doesnt suit players at Bayern and I highly doubt if they will ever reach the level of 'Heynckes Bayern' under Pep using his tactics.
Not being able to adopt any other style of play apart from tiki-taka is what makes Pep such an overrated manager
Why take a system that is perfectly suited to the players on hand and is sweeping all before it, and then replace it root and branch with a system that will require at least 2-3 years to implement properly?Bluewonder said:Stanger said:This is enough proof that Pep isn't as great as some of you think.
He had an amazing set of talented and intelligent players at Barca that were good enough to implement his tiki-taka that was new to most teams and dominated. Once they got figured out he left (I really don't think it was a coincidence that he leaves after Madrid dominated him). He takes a year off waiting for an opportunity to coach another great team and who better than the kings of Europe. He signs for Bayern, the best team in the world, since he thinks it will be another easy time for people to think he's still good. Dominating the 1 horse race called the Bundesliga he was right, until he met the team he ran away from to begin with. Madrid won 4-0 in a city they have NEVER won in before, all credit to Pep and his very limited tactical skills.
Pep has absolutely no plan B, and is too obsessed with possession football. A manager adapts to different teams and different tactics but he just keeps playing the same thing over and over thinking "well it usually works". Pep is the most overrated coach in history
Probably the biggest load of nonsense I've ever seen. It takes time to teach the art of tiki-taka, and even Barca didn't hit their peak with the system until 2011. Give it another season and Bayern will be destroying the competition like Barca did.
Dubai Blue said:Why take a system that is is perfectly suited to the players on hand and is sweeping all before it, and replace it root and branch with a system that will require at least 2-3 years to implement properly?
Pep needs to be more flexible in his approach - the circumstances that enabled him to dominate with pure tika-taka at Barcelona are unlikely to ever be recreated, so he needs to become a bit more creative rather than simply trying to re-invent the wheel. He's a top manager and I hope he doesn't become bogged down with his tika-taka obsession for the whole of his career.