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mancity1 said:
Didsbury Dave said:
Santiago Street . said:
I'm not as far up Pep's arse as the Barca/Txiki fanboys on here but to use one of Jamie's favourite words I was gobsmacked by the overpromoted Carragher's hatchet job on Bayern and Pep after the game. They were clearly the better team and some nights things just don't drop for you. For me they're still favourites to win the CL. Pep's not the God that some think he is but he didn't warrant such a slating from a recently retired half decent centre back

The guy who argued that Pep's Barca at their peak were overeulogized in the media had it right. Tiki taka isn't a magical pathway to success for a club ready to devote themselves holistically to it's implementation. Messi was the magic ingredient in that great Barca team, take him out and they're slightly better than Arsenal post Henry. But the easily influenced on here (and in our boardroom) can't or won't see that, all they want is tiki taka. And for some of them, their slavish devotion to it is pure football snobbery. It's almost become vulgar these days to soak up pressure and strike on the break or to use wingers who go on the outside and cross the ball or to shoot from distance. The fashion right now is for pretty triangles and one touch passing. Vinny's comment about it not being enough to win anymore, now we have to win "the right way" is proof that this mindset is, sadly, endemic at City.

"There are many ways to fuck a pig and the pig is fucked best if a combination of these ways is used"

PMSL. You are at it again. A walking, talking personification of the cult of the forum fool. An empty vessel given a platform to make strange noises loudly.

Your first thirteen words are a thing of such gargantuan ignorance and stupidity that they are quite beautiful, in the way that a tornado or spider can be.

Keep up the good work lad. This thread is getting enjoyable.

If Vinny actually said its not enough to win anymore he is treading a fine line because under his stewardship to date at least we obviously haven't won enough for enough of the time.

Too much is made of how to go about playing and not enough about how to go about winning.

As is often said winners are grinners and losers can please themselves.

Competitive sport at the highest level is all about winning and VK if he wants to go down in history as a winner will do everything he can to ensure we do that as often as possible to land silverware or else he will be considered a failure by us and his peers when he retires.

Triangles are for children in early maths classes to learn more about.

So are those that play in triangles not winners ! ?Brazil built their game around skill technique and possession and are the most successful national team ever. They play a similar way to Barca I.e. in triangles or whatever you want to call it but they understand that by retaining ppossession they are also defending, a concept most Englishmen cannot seem to grasp ! They also play a wonderful attacking style of football that is a pleasure to watch. English football is the polar opposite of tiki taka or playing in triangles as you could hope to get. It brawn over brain thud and blunder yet some people seem to like it , but it has been a complete failure yet we still can't see it ! Spain Barca and Brazil are inextricably linked and look at their success.
 
Skashion said:
Has anybody bothered to make the point that triangles are very successful?

I was under the impression they were are three sided figure whose sum of its internal angles where those sides intersected was 180 degrees.

Or to put it another way its area was half the length of its base by its height.
 
Skashion said:
Has anybody bothered to make the point that triangles are very successful?

As a lad we were always taught to play in triangles, it's just a basic of football and the easiest way to make options for teammates. Everyone does it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMYc47dMVAA[/youtube]
 
Puppet Master Silva said:
Skashion said:
Has anybody bothered to make the point that triangles are very successful?

As a lad we were always taught to play in triangles, it's just a basic of football and the easiest way to make options for teammates. Everyone does it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMYc47dMVAA[/youtube]
I prefer lumping it forward and hoping for a knock on, the old fashioned English way.....bloody fancy dan football blaahh! ;)
 
Pep is under huge pressure, because he took over a team that won the reble and also was able to spend big on Götze, Alcantara. And if he only wins the german cup and the league (where they really dont have any rivals anymore) he will be some kind of failure what is a joke but this is modern football. Winning the treble again was some kind of expectation. Even if after a treble its very hard to maintain the motivation of the squad/players...

Of course when he signed for Bayern (around 2013 February) he didnt know Bayern will win the treble, and how big the expectations will be after that...
Not sure he hoped for a Bayern win last season in the final vs Dortmund.:)

He is a great manager, puts lot of pressure on his style, not sure tho that Bayern needed to change a lot in playing style, or the manager that comes after Guardiola will really work on this style or completely change it again...

They are lucky that they are so strong in their league it will need a complete bad manager doing very badly to finish 2nd with them, as they even keep signing their biggest rivals players like Götze, Lewandowski, I mean it could end with Klopp in two years if it goes like this...
(Wouldnt be surprised to see Gundogan or Hummels to end up there too in 1-2 years.)
 
Bayern has destroyed the German League for decades. They were always able to buy the best players from their main rivals. That's why they are so much hated by any other team in Germany. And the birth of the Ch.League has only helped them to get better financial conditions and keep doing what they have been doing. You can't blame the players who are going to Bayern because they earn 2 or 3 times more money and are pretty sure of succes.

As for Guardiola, besides the man is a controlfreak, it looks like he wants Bayern to play the way Barcelona did in his last season with them. By than tiki-taki had turned into a boring keep-the-ball-in-posession to be more important than create chances. The latest contest vs Real said it all: 5 times more passes and 3 times more posession, but not even half the chances Real had. And, most importantly, Real scored, Bayern didn't.
Imo Guardiola took the easiest way by managing Bayern. The Barcelona-team was ready-made when he took over and he made it an even better force. Bayern was ready-made, and the expectation is he will make it an even better force.
 
That - I cannot hear that "Bayern destroyed the German league"-bullocks

What should they do? Perform bad and not try to achieve things. Not trying to get the best players.

It is a competiton and everybody tries to get the best out of it. Some are good in it - and some are not.
 
pep? gosh really?
crikey and wowzers
on the other hand who gives a fucking toss?!
fuck off
 
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