pep guardiola

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dobobobo said:
johnson28392 said:
Bayern fans want him out. They're moaning that he destroyed the best team in the world.
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May I request

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Someone has been drinking.
 
Poor Soul,,,,,,,,,,,,Has lost his best friend in past few days and now people think that he is nothing special....
He is the most successful coach of the past decade and I would have him here in a heart beat,,,though I also like Pellers.
 
What have you done, Pep?

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The Catalan was meant to take Jupp Heynckes' treble winners to the next level but he has instead turned them into the worst version of his former Blaugrana side

Stefan Effenberg told Goal after Bayern Munich’s 1-0 loss to Real Madrid at the Santiago Bernabeu last week that Pep Guardiola’s “system had reached its limit”. On Tuesday night in Bavaria, it reached its nadir as his European champions were thrashed 4-0 at home by Carlo Ancelotti's men.

After Bayern’s stunning demolition of Manchester Ciy at the Etihad earlier in the season, it appeared as if Guardiola was poised to create Bayern 2.0. Instead, he has turned last season’s treble winners into Barcelona 2012.

The Catalan had claimed after his side’s first-leg defeat in the Spanish capital that he was proud of his players’ performance. He felt that they deserved credit for having a 78 per cent share of possession. It immediately evoked memories of Xavi pathetically clinging to possession stats after Barcelona had been humiliated 7-0 on aggregate by Bayern in the semi-finals of last year’s Champions League. Keeping the ball should be a means to an end. For Xavi and former Barca boss Guardiola, it seems, possession has become the end in itself.

MATCH FACTS | Bayern 0-4 Madrid


 Shots
 On Target
 Possession
 Corners
 Bookings
 Red cards	BAYERN
19
4
69%
9
1
0	MADRID
13
5
21%
3
1
0
Serious questions must now be asked of Guardiola’s footballing philosophy. ‘Tika-taka’ was a revolutionary style of play. It transformed Barcelona into one of the most aesthetically pleasing sides the game has ever seen. They were also incredibly successful - until teams worked out how to play against the Blaugrana; how to shut them down, how to isolate Lionel Messi. When Guardiola left Camp Nou in 2012, Barca had become predictable, one-dimensional. Just like Bayern in recent weeks and months.

It wasn’t supposed to be like this. After taking over Jupp Heynckes' treble-winners last summer, Guardiola was supposed to take Bayern Munich to the next level. Instead, he has taken them backwards.

And now his CV will come under review. Once again, the role of La Masia in his success at Camp Nou will be highlighted. As will Barca's over-reliance on Messi. The critics will argue that it's easy to stick to one's principles when arguably the greatest player of all time is always there to defend them.

There's also the fact that Guardiola failed embarrassingly during his time at Camp Nou to adequately address Barcelona’s glaring defensive deficiencies (Dmytro Chygrynskiy, anyone?).

Worryingly, during his one-year sabbatical, Guardiola does not seem to have improved, developed, evolved. The same failings and flaws are still there. The same oversights are being made. All season long, it has been clear that Bayern are vulnerable in the centre of defence. All season long, they have held a ludicrously high line. Both were brutally exposed by Madrid over the course of 180 excruciating minutes for Bayern fans, who now know how their Barcelona counterparts felt just 12 months ago.

Having already claimed the Bundesliga in record-breaking time, and with a DFB-Pokal final against Borussia Dortmund to come, Guardiola could yet claim a double in his first season in Bavaria. However, as Die Welt made clear on Tuesday morning: “Only the Champions League counts.” Guardiola took over one of the strongest squads the European game has ever seen and Bayern did not just fail to defend their title, they did so spectacularly.

Indeed, the Munich daily Abendzeitung had told Bayern's players "You are the kings!" ahead of Tuesday's meeting with Madrid. The fans had also come to the Allianz Arena expecting to see an inauguration. Instead they experienced humiliation. And Guardiola must take all of the blame for that.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.goal.com/en-ke/news/4542/features/2014/04/30/4784557/what-have-you-done-pep-guardiola-has-turned-unbeatable" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.goal.com/en-ke/news/4542/fea ... unbeatable</a>
 
People are quick to jump on him whenever he doesn't win the CL. He's not perfect, but he's a very young manager with one hell of a platform to build upon.
 
Bayern seem to brief against him on a regular basis. That says to me, wrong man at the wrong time.

Pep, as a guess, will leave in the summer and hopefully pitch up at City.
 
strongbowholic said:
Bayern seem to brief against him on a regular basis. That says to me, wrong man at the wrong time.

Pep, as a guess, will leave in the summer and hopefully pitch up at City.
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He's on £15 million a season. Why quit ? He won't leave unless sacked me thinks.

I hope we avoid him. His tactics are extreme. His wages are too high. If Pellegrini fails, we need to get someone in who is interested in developing his career, not someone who is interested in getting rich.
 
worsleyweb said:
If he becomes available he will end up here in my opinion.
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An interesting hypothetical should we win the league and he be sacked.

Normally you'd say he has to be given another year but it must look very tempting to the Bayern leadership (the ones not in jail) to try and restore Jupp's side before Pep does too much damage.
 
strongbowholic said:
Bayern seem to brief against him on a regular basis. That says to me, wrong man at the wrong time.

Pep, as a guess, will leave in the summer and hopefully pitch up at City.
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They do seem prone to letting critical comments appear in the press and Pep did say a few weeks back that if people didn't want him to stay he is quite happy to go in the summer. I would love to see Pep at City. Jose, Pep and Van Gaal in a three way death match. Man that would be worth seeing.
 
Don't want him here unless he shows he can adapt at Bayern. The system that was so successful at Barca has been found out by the better clubs and Bayern have looked toothless in both legs against Real and for large periods in their other knockout ties. He doesn't treat physical strength as an asset and that's where they lost out tonight with Ramos' power at corners and the speed of Real's counter for the third.

Would much rather Pellegrini's possession with a purpose once he's completely settled. We've got a nice mix of the possession and power.
 
the sister-in-law shagger is apparently just as good and would be much cheaper........
 
Can't believe how many people are questioning his ability. Let's not forget he took a team to the bernabeu and had them pinned back in their area and if they got the first goal the whole tie would have been different. Today he got it wrong, quite clearly commited too many forward and was easily picked off on the counter as a result(and 3 goals were set pieces). His style of play( when the team is flowing) is brilliant and who could deny that they'd love to see that in blue. In my opinion he's the best manager in the world and also plays football the way it's meant to be played and I'd take him here in a heartbeat
 
thesilvalining said:
Can't believe how many people are questioning his ability. Let's not forget he took a team to the bernabeu and had them pinned back in their area and if they got the first goal the whole tie would have been different. Today he got it wrong, quite clearly commited too many forward and was easily picked off on the counter as a result(and 3 goals were set pieces). His style of play( when the team is flowing) is brilliant and who could deny that they'd love to see that in blue. In my opinion he's the best manager in the world and also plays football the way it's meant to be played and I'd take him here in a heartbeat
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He had them pinned back ? Or maybe Real Madrid intentionally pinned themselves back ? Maybe they wanted to sit deep and hit them on the break ?

I'm not so sure if football is meant to be played in the Guardiola way. To me , tiki taka is extreme and defensive.
 
^ What the above poster meant to say is, he went to the bernabeu and let Ancelotti pull the rope-a-dope on him, was lucky to only lose 1-0 without ever looking like scoring and then fell for the same trick a week later and got the hiding he deserved.
For the record, I still think he's a talented manager but he needs to realise when he's gotten it wrong.
Edit: thesilvalining, not 101 numbers who replied to him :)
 
aguero93:20 said:
^ What the above poster meant to say is, he went to the bernabeu and let Ancelotti pull the rope-a-dope on him, was lucky to only lose 1-0 without ever looking like scoring and then fell for the same trick a week later and got the hiding he deserved.
For the record, I still think he's a talented manager but he needs to realise when he's gotten it wrong.
Edit: thesilvalining, not 101 numbers who replied to him :)
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That is a way of looking at it that he played into ancelottis hands. However, if bayern went out and got an early goal I think the tie would have been very different and bayern would of gone on to win it.
Maybe the fact that he's only managed Barcelona and bayern rather than any smaller clubs has made him believe he can go to any ground and play how he wants, it'll get found out against counter attacking teams of course but I'd prefer a manager to go and try to play attacking no matter what than do what mourinho does in big games.
 
johnson28392 said:
thesilvalining said:
Can't believe how many people are questioning his ability. Let's not forget he took a team to the bernabeu and had them pinned back in their area and if they got the first goal the whole tie would have been different. Today he got it wrong, quite clearly commited too many forward and was easily picked off on the counter as a result(and 3 goals were set pieces). His style of play( when the team is flowing) is brilliant and who could deny that they'd love to see that in blue. In my opinion he's the best manager in the world and also plays football the way it's meant to be played and I'd take him here in a heartbeat
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He had them pinned back ? Or maybe Real Madrid intentionally pinned themselves back ? Maybe they wanted to sit deep and hit them on the break ?

I'm not so sure if football is meant to be played in the Guardiola way. To me , tiki taka is extreme and defensive.
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Tiki taka, when the team are playing well, is amazing to watch. I'd much prefer to watch us dictate the tempo than be a counter attacking team, although it is an effective method and can sometimes be entertaining aswell(like Dortmund not chelsea). I wouldn't say it's defensive but I can see where you come from and it's one step forward and 2 steps back when it's not flowing and they're going into blind ally's, but with the full backs so far forward and the defence so high up surely you don't think guardiola is intentionally being defensive and killing the game, he just has a style that If the right pass isn't on don't force it, which means they struggle to break down the opposition when not playing well.
 
thesilvalining said:
johnson28392 said:
thesilvalining said:
Can't believe how many people are questioning his ability. Let's not forget he took a team to the bernabeu and had them pinned back in their area and if they got the first goal the whole tie would have been different. Today he got it wrong, quite clearly commited too many forward and was easily picked off on the counter as a result(and 3 goals were set pieces). His style of play( when the team is flowing) is brilliant and who could deny that they'd love to see that in blue. In my opinion he's the best manager in the world and also plays football the way it's meant to be played and I'd take him here in a heartbeat
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He had them pinned back ? Or maybe Real Madrid intentionally pinned themselves back ? Maybe they wanted to sit deep and hit them on the break ?

I'm not so sure if football is meant to be played in the Guardiola way. To me , tiki taka is extreme and defensive.
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Tiki taka, when the team are playing well, is amazing to watch. I'd much prefer to watch us dictate the tempo than be a counter attacking team, although it is an effective method and can sometimes be entertaining aswell(like Dortmund not chelsea). I wouldn't say it's defensive but I can see where you come from and it's one step forward and 2 steps back when it's not flowing and they're going into blind ally's, but with the full backs so far forward and the defence so high up surely you don't think guardiola is intentionally being defensive and killing the game, he just has a style that If the right pass isn't on don't force it, which means they struggle to break down the opposition when not playing well.
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I disagree with you there and if you read what Guardiola says, he actually is intentionally being defensive. If you have the ball then you cannot be attacked. Guardiola basically believes that the key to every match is the midfield. So to gain control of the midfield he plays as many midfielders as possible. Lahm and Alaba playing like midfielders or wishing to use the false 9 is an example of that.

To be fair to Guardiola Tika-taka is extremely effective in winning a league. Chelsea have the best record against the top teams, but they are likely to finish third. Tika-taka is extremely difficult for a team on the level of say Palace to cope with it. As well drilled and disciplined as our players are they lack the quality of say Cahill and Terry. Eventually if you keep probing we will make a mistake and you can score. The problem for Pep in England is that we are a very physical league. On a small pitch like Upton Park, West Ham can just hit it long to Carroll and have runners off him. Palace have to speed of Bolassie. Villa can do the same with Benteke, Gabby and Wieman etc. So more so than other leagues, Pep will find even the weakest Premiership teams have the capability to hurt Tika-taka.

Against a top team they will do what Madrid or Dortmund have done to them recently.

Another big problem Pep has had this year is his constant changing of teams and lineups. This has meant that players have not gelled or formed partnerships. Moyes made a similar mistake at United.

Still players generally love Pep, he tends to keep them highly motivated for most competitive matches and does give youth a chance. He has an unbelievable record of success and players are going to give him respect, which a lesser successful manager will struggle to get.

It seems that playing a certain style of football is very important to the board, so I think Ancelotti would be the best man for the job. Though his current Madrid team is a counter attacking one, he has made them more possession based than last season. His Chelsea and Milan teams were also very good in possession and played great football. His Chelsea team being the team with the record. A pattern I have noticed with Ancelotti is he seems to be too confident at times. It may be a coincidence, but too many of the biggest turn arounds in football have happened to his team. Juve vs United, Deportivo vs Milan, Liverpool vs Milan, almost Dortmund vs Madrid. This complacency has led to his teams slipping up against the weaker teams too often and costing him league titles, which is not going to happen with Pep.
 
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