Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)

Complete squad overhaul , as others have mentioned , Cancelo , Stones , Garcia , Zinchenko , Gundo , Rodri , Mahrez, Mendy , Bernardo , Roberts , Muric , Sandler , if we cant sell them , loan them out , they are not good enough , spend £500m on half a dozen top class replacements (the Dippers keep their Net Spend Cup) ,and FFP can f*ck off as well UEFA had their chance to stitch us up.Then we can give the likes of Doyle , Bellis , Palmer , Nmecha , Gomes some real hope of getting some games.

Would retain Dinho and Aguero for another season they are still useful squad players , but If it takes 12 months to turn around thats fine with me , we are City fans and are renowned for our patience , but at the moment we are playing pretty football and treading water , Pep is a brilliant coach and the club will back him 100% , so lets get rid of the deadwood
 
Del_Bosque said:
Out the door for me would be

Mendy, Zinchenko, Gundogan, Rodri, Mahrez, Fernandinho (retire) and Jesus
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I agree, Jesus I'd keep though, for now at least.

Rather than buy a ready made DM for Rodri and Gundo I'd be giving Tommy Doyle some game time.

We have an academy set up the envy of the football world but we are only producing players for other clubs at the moment, or so it seems. Harrison and Povedo started for Leeds yesterday.

Pep has the pick of some very promising academy players and now is the time to give them a chance whilst we're in transition. If he is allowed to flash the cash and overlook our youth system we may as well start producing Wonka Bars instead of players: /
 
I agree with those who say we need to gut midfield and finally sort the left back and striker(s) out. In order to do that, we need a big chequebook as the quality of player we need is not cheap. We need to bring in 3 or 4 world class players - we're talking Mbappe, Benzema, Griezman, Felix etc here not more players for the future.

However, there's a big elephant in the room for me in how we've let the squad evolve.

For the quality of the players we've had over the last decade, we've made next to nothing on them. Obviously there's been the poor signings like Mangala, Bony etc who didn't work out, but the top class players we've had have mainly left for nothing or for pitiful amounts:

Hart - free, Kompany - free, Lescott - free, Zabaleta - free, Silva - free, Yaya - free, Nasri - £3m, De Jong - £3m, Barry - free, Fernandinho - likely free, Aguero - likely free. Balotelli - £18m, Bellamy - free, Dzeko - £10m. Milner - free, Tevez - free, Clichy - free. Johnson - £10m.

That squad now would win the title today, no problem and is better than the one we have now. But we made less than £50m or so from them once they left the club. It's not sustainable. We either have to make other clubs pay more - not easily done because of the wages - or we look at selling them before they go too far over the hill. Players like Walker and KdB are 30+ or so now and at the moment we could probably get £160m now for the pair... or nothing in 3-4 years time. Bernardo Silva was probably worth £100m a couple of years ago, but we'd not get anywhere near that now.

Now I'm not saying we should be selling players in their prime, but we have to start planning all this a bit better. It's no good holding on to a player until they retire as they play less games and lose their legs. We need to look at moving them on to bring some money back into the team so we can reinvest in their younger replacement.
 
HelloCity said:
Realistically there’s absolutely no one we could buy who would score more goals than Sterling from his natural wide position. When you say let’s get Mbappe, it’s just fantasy football stuff.
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We are the richest club in europe , with the richest owners , the best coach in the world , with a blank cheque book , if we are mentioned when Messi is unhappy then why wouldnt Mbappe join us , your correct it is fantasy world and it has been since 2008.
 
Cityinmud said:
If we know our Transfer policy we never go for big established names unlike real Madrid or Barcelona or do big money transfer Like 100 M + on a single player. we could argue that this method is incorrect but this is our transfer policy so far. And Mbappe has repeatedly said he doesn't want to join us.
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Never seen a statement where MBappe has specifically stated he doesnt want to play for Manchester City and Pep Guadiola , send me the link.
 
Del_Bosque said:
Jesus just isnt up to it for where we want to be
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Jesus has been one of the positives so far this season and is absolutely good enough to be part of our squad. Your statement also implies therefore that Aguero IS good enough for where we want to be. I’m not seeing how he is a bigger part of our future than Jesus. He just isn’t. Certainly not a future that sees us back on top anyway. In the summer, when we’re conducting this rebuild, Aguero will be 33. He’ll also be injured. It will be a mistake to give him a new deal. But we’ll give him one because we never learn.
 
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Would anyone trust Tkiki or Pep or whoever the fuck is responsible for transfers to actually get the players needed.
I mean left back has been a fucking joke for years now. They need to get it through their heads we need Pace and power. Slow players are killing us. Rodri,Mahrez, Gundogan,Zinchenko and sadly Bernardo(whos form has fallen off a cliff) all need replacing. Mendy not worth talking about. If he's not going to give youth a chance then we need a new scout or two. A powerful front man to give us something different should be a priority. Hard to believe we're at a stage where we're averaging a goal a game.
 
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All the talk about shipping loads of players out and bringing real quality replacements in.....why is our recuitment suddenly going to get much better?
Still the same people, making the same decisions and spunking huge sums on players who turn out to be nothing special.
 
Del_Bosque said:
Out the door for me would be

Mendy, Zinchenko, Gundogan, Rodri, Mahrez, Fernandinho (retire) and J
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B\connellblue said:
Would anyone trust Tkiki or Pep or whoever the fuck is responsible for transfers to actually get the players needed.
I mean left back has been a fucking joke for years now. The need to get it through their heads we need Pace and power. Slow players are killing us. Rodri,Mahrez, Gundogan,Zinchenko and sadly Bernardo(whos form has fallen off a cliff) all need replacing. Mendy not worth talking about. If he's not going to give youth a chance then we need a new scout or two. A powerful front man to give us something different should be a priority. Hard to believe we're at a stage where we're averaging a goal a game.
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We've bought about 5 Dele Allis
 
GoatersLeftShin said:
I agree with those who say we need to gut midfield and finally sort the left back and striker(s) out. In order to do that, we need a big chequebook as the quality of player we need is not cheap. We need to bring in 3 or 4 world class players - we're talking Mbappe, Benzema, Griezman, Felix etc here not more players for the future.

However, there's a big elephant in the room for me in how we've let the squad evolve.

For the quality of the players we've had over the last decade, we've made next to nothing on them. Obviously there's been the poor signings like Mangala, Bony etc who didn't work out, but the top class players we've had have mainly left for nothing or for pitiful amounts:

Hart - free, Kompany - free, Lescott - free, Zabaleta - free, Silva - free, Yaya - free, Nasri - £3m, De Jong - £3m, Barry - free, Fernandinho - likely free, Aguero - likely free. Balotelli - £18m, Bellamy - free, Dzeko - £10m. Milner - free, Tevez - free, Clichy - free. Johnson - £10m.

That squad now would win the title today, no problem and is better than the one we have now. But we made less than £50m or so from them once they left the club. It's not sustainable. We either have to make other clubs pay more - not easily done because of the wages - or we look at selling them before they go too far over the hill. Players like Walker and KdB are 30+ or so now and at the moment we could probably get £160m now for the pair... or nothing in 3-4 years time. Bernardo Silva was probably worth £100m a couple of years ago, but we'd not get anywhere near that now.

Now I'm not saying we should be selling players in their prime, but we have to start planning all this a bit better. It's no good holding on to a player until they retire as they play less games and lose their legs. We need to look at moving them on to bring some money back into the team so we can reinvest in their younger replacement.
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Let’s take a closer look at those outgoing players:
  • Hart - I’ll give you that one but his face didn’t fit and a newly arrived Pep was indulged. He’s since bombed but that’s hindsight.
  • Kompany, Lescott, Zab, Merlin, Barry, Bellamy and Clichy - at or near the end of their careers and/or rewarded for good service. Not a bad example to set.
  • Fern, Kun - still here but may yet fall into the same category as above. If so, who would complain?
  • Nasri - shit attitude plus short contract eroded any market value.
  • Balotelli - decent fee obtained for an unreliable individual.
  • Johnson - soiled goods.
Why on earth would we sell KDB now? With TLC, he could remain our best player for 3 or 4 years. What worries me more is he’s being played into the ground.

While I agree with your point about succession planning and some of the acquisitions, your examples don’t help your case very much.
 
B\connellblue said:
Would anyone trust Tkiki or Pep or whoever the fuck is responsible for transfers to actually get the players needed.
I mean left back has been a fucking joke for years now. They need to get it through their heads we need Pace and power. Slow players are killing us. Rodri,Mahrez, Gundogan,Zinchenko and sadly Bernardo(whos form has fallen off a cliff) all need replacing. Mendy not worth talking about. If he's not going to give youth a chance then we need a new scout or two. A powerful front man to give us something different should be a priority. Hard to believe we're at a stage where we're averaging a goal a game.
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Quite a lot in this I agree with. Our recruitment over the last 3 years does not compare at all well with Liverpool.
That coupled with not making more of some great prospects is killing us at present
 
VOOMER said:
No it is as far as the title goes .
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In all honesty I'm sure you didn't expect to win the title this year. So many players, good players have either left or retired in the last few years along with injury. We are in a process of rebuild, it won't happen overnight. Some of the signing in my opinion have been average to say the least but it's difficult to replace the likes of komps, Silva, sane, fernandinho and aguero, the last 2 injured or reaching the end of there careers. Patience!
 
ShaunMCFC said:
Find Fernandinho mk2 and a lot of the problems go away for me, he was that important to us. I'm still gutted he's not capable anymore. I think he was the key for us.
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Agree 100%.

Since he moved out of central midfield its where our problems started.

Our current defensive midfield two dont link up with our attackers as well, nor protect the back nor do they win the ball back quickly and sniff our danger when our fowards lose the ball.
 
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