Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)

Pep's a magnet for the best, creme de la creme players in the world. We have become a force because of our financial backing, having Pep in charge magnifies our attraction for players like Gilberto Jesus and now Bernado Silva who have stated they want to play for a manager of Pep's magnitude, let's face it, if the bottom dollar was the same and you were a really gifted footballer who would you play for? A charismatic, challenging Pep playing lovely, free flowing football or that dour, defensive stuff Mourinho serves up and demands?
 
Maldeika said:
His argument for the three years was always that he recognized at Barcelona that the players aren't open to his thoughts anymore in the fourth year - and that doing this fourth year was his biggest mistake at Barcelona...
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You don't have to believe everything he says. 2011-12 side was a work in progress with lots of new ideas being implemented, I still rewatch some of their games and see it as an (yet) unreachable benchmark. It's an open secret that Pep has left due to the Board. He couldn't bear the rats who marked the start of their tenure by stripping off honorary presidency from Cruyff.
Maldeika said:
At Bayern to lead that team from one to the other generation would have been challenging, too. Schweinsteiger gone, Lahm and Alonso finish, Robben and Ribery in their last season... - including a big new youth academy that opens that was build and will open this summer.
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You also forgot to add that Bayern refused to get Pep 'his' players (Thiago being an exception) and sold Kroos. Buying Vidal against his will was probably the last straw.

I honestly think that dealing with the boards was the main challenge in both clubs, he doesn't seem to have such obstacle here. He'll stay for a long time, the only other high-profile club suiting him is Barca after all. I would go even farther and say that in ideal case Pep would enhance his influence over youth teams and wait for the academy products to ripe - the luxury his teacher was denied. Cruyff needed to wait 20 years (1988-2008) to see his La Masia conquering the world, so would Pep. Guardiola is not a lone revolutionary as it's sometimes represented by media, he steadily develops the concept of his teacher. This concept needs time and patience, and who bar City can provide a background for such mammoth work right now?

The most serious obstacle for Pep in England, IMO, is FA and its stubborn approach to refereeing and management of youth, and I'm not even talking about the quality/consistency. PL football is 'physical' and chaotic thanks only to different interpretetion of rules here. Allowing harder tackles, closing eyes on fouls that would nave been cards on continent disrupts passing game in the middle and logically forces coaches to resort to primitive hoofball (Guardiola:"nothing happens in the middle in England"). In Spain or Germany this style hasn't survived due to its general ineffectiveness, but PL refs make it a different sport - more tackling and running, less brains and tactics.
It's like playing with a different set of rules in England, no surprise that PL teams are so poor in Europe since Guardiola's success at Barca - he has stimulated so many coaches to implement more complex ideas of attacking play, you can see even Madrid nowadays sticking to Cruyff's ideas of midfield control. When you remove the bodychecking element off a top English team (say, Spurs), all that's left is a slightly above average technical level (except 2-3 'stars') and fairly simple tactical setup that can be easily countered.
This and the absence of a proper 'B' teams make English football a very bad environment for small technicians that rule the world for almost a decade already.
Quotes from Pep:
- “The only problem the managers have in the first teams with the second teams is that the league they [the second teams] compete in it doesn’t count, so the gap between the first team and second team when they compete is so big”
- "I think it’s physical [in England] because of the way the referees conduct the games. Contact is more allowed. That is the only difference I have found".
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...nchester-citys-youngsters-will-not-play-much/
 
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mardon85 said:
What makes a better manager, Someone that comes in and makes the best of what is available and builds from there or someone that's needs a team to play and be the way they want to succeed with a total rebuild?
I've seen some mind blowing football this season and some very poor decisions on and off the pitch. The future is exciting though!
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Your phrasing of the question is wrong, because it already implies one is better than the other. Unless you're just trying to make a point.
 
Seems an odd thing to do, IMHO. Unless it's a statement from club & coach that he intends to be at City longer than 3 years - which would be a first foro Pep
 
Tugay One Cup said:
Personally, I think he's doing a superb job and I don't think people will quite realise how much he's done for us until he leaves... in two year's time.
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Superb might be pushing it but yes, I'm not as down at being potless this year, by and large the squad, at least the members of the squad that can be relied on were the same as the corp, sorry pellers squad that won the title in his first year, just two years older and for the likes of yaya clichy and zabba, that told. The overhaul were beginning to see is long overdue and if pep gets it right, we should have a top top team for years to come. Even beyond his tenure, extension or not.
 
If we can get him to sign an extension then it would be the most important signing of the Summer for me!!
 
I don't see why he wouldn't want to sign on, this is the first club where he is truly in charge of what is going on. He has the best facilities in the world, a fantastic academy, unlimited funds for transfers and doesn't have to deal with the bull that he got at Barca and Bayern.

If his family is happy then I don't see why Pep would move, I feel that Pep is enjoying the challenge of the prem as well. It is something he hasn't really experienced and I am sure he is enjoying the challenge and won't rest until he has won it all.
 
pee dubya said:
Because he didn't know if he wanted to stay, whereas maybe here he does. Doesn't seem odd to me.
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Sure it is - Pep even rubbished these rumours earlier in the year. He's already demonstrated he honors contracts so isn't going anywhere, the management team are effectively made of individuals who have either worked extensively with Pep in the past or pursued him heavily to come to City, for years. Moreover, he just finished one season with no uncertainty looming which is often the reason for extensions

Only scenario where it makes any sense is perhaps Guardiola sees the project as requiring more time than he initially believed & hence the club wants to reinforce they are fully behind Pep. Strange nevertheless as there does not seem to be a need to do this now
 
FCBarca said:
Sure it is - Pep even rubbished these rumours earlier in the year. He's already demonstrated he honors contracts so isn't going anywhere, the management team are effectively made of individuals who have either worked extensively with Pep in the past or pursued him heavily to come to City, for years. Moreover, he just finished one season with no uncertainty looming which is often the reason for extensions

Only scenario where it makes any sense is perhaps Guardiola sees the project as requiring more time than he initially believed & hence the club wants to reinforce they are fully behind Pep. Strange nevertheless as there does not seem to be a need to do this now
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Or maybe the management want him to stay longer and he wants to stay longer, so he'll sign a contract extension.

If both parties are happy, why not? It shows commitment, gives assurances to sponsors, players coming in, staff etc. People like knowing what's going to happen.
 
FCBarca said:
Just odd, particularly the timing - there's no impetus to do it now was my point
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Every point.

This added to our summer transfer business is going to send a message to everyone in European football.
 
blueinsa said:
Every point.

This added to our summer transfer business is going to send a message to everyone in European football.
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Correct! Also to the new younger players that he will be here longer term so they can settle knowing he won't be leaving in two years time when they have a 5 year contract. Sign it please pep asap!
 
FCBarca said:
Sure it is - Pep even rubbished these rumours earlier in the year. He's already demonstrated he honors contracts so isn't going anywhere, the management team are effectively made of individuals who have either worked extensively with Pep in the past or pursued him heavily to come to City, for years. Moreover, he just finished one season with no uncertainty looming which is often the reason for extensions

Only scenario where it makes any sense is perhaps Guardiola sees the project as requiring more time than he initially believed & hence the club wants to reinforce they are fully behind Pep. Strange nevertheless as there does not seem to be a need to do this now
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The club know it's more than a 3 year job. They are trying to build something.

That has always been the case.

The question is whether Pep just kicks it off & we have to find someone else to run with it, or whether he sees it through himself.

We've been treading water for 4 years previously.
 
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