Pep's contract situation | 2 year extension confirmed! (pg1817)

it's clear we mentally gave up early last season because we weren't resilient anymore to deal with the setbacks.
There's some rubbish being written about us at the moment, like we "mentally gave up early last season", yet we won 8/10 league games after lockdown, scoring 5 in four of the games, and 4 in two of the others, and we only conceded in 3 of them, scoring 34, and conceding just 4, I'd hate to think what we could do mentally switched on. Even the 2 games we didn't win (lost) were against 2 of the current top 6.

We've been disappointing so far this season (in the league) with too many draws, the football is certainly not the swash buckling stuff of our recent past, but we've only lost twice from 20 games in total, and have just had a run of 6 games without conceding a goal.

Far too much ridiculous pessimism around for me.
 
There is a purge coming. Rodri, Mahrez, Mendy and Bernardo are goners next summer.

A decision on Sergio won't be made until next May.

Pep wants to rip it up and start again, with the full support of Khaldoon.

There is a train of thought that only Mendy will be difficult to do some proper horse-trading on.

definitely needed, shame about Bernardo

with Fernandinho out of contract and probably Zinchenko off as well

that needs us leaving 2 Lb’s, 2 Cm’s and 3 forwards/wingers

we should be making a start in Jan if thats the case we’d never get all that done in summer
 
I think they thought they had FDJ locked down. In the end he 'chose' Barcelona. City put it out afterwards that they weren't going to pay what Barcelona paid in fee or wages, but that isn't the point because he chose to go to Barcelona and made the decision for City.

I'm really not arsed about how 'bad' a buy Rodri is. I just want them to identify that they have to sign another player in that position. What they do with Rodri is neither here nor there. Fernandinho's definitely off so he'll definitely be a useful squad player if nobody wants to pay money for him.

Obviously I could be mental, but I think that the whole 'double pivot' thing isn't about Gundo/Rodri. It's that he doesn't trust Foden or Bernardo in that position that only leaves him with those two and KDB as his go to selection. In a weird way I sort of get it with Bernardo because he's been so bad and so ineffective it's painful to watch. But the Phil thing seems a bit harsh. He may not be David Silva in terms of his game intelligence, but his physicality and dynamism more than makes up for it.

The season is long and I don't think even if he wants to he'll be able to play Gundo/Rodri all season. At some point he'll have to 'trust' one of the others.

I’m not sure now that De Jong would even be the right player for us. I think we genuinely need a more traditional defensive midfielder in order to allow us to use two number 8’s on a regular basis again. Wasn’t there talk a while back that Alaba wanted to play in midfield if he moved on from Bayern? Maybe he could be tempted if we put that option on the table for him.
 
I think they thought they had FDJ locked down. In the end he 'chose' Barcelona. City put it out afterwards that they weren't going to pay what Barcelona paid in fee or wages, but that isn't the point because he chose to go to Barcelona and made the decision for City.

I'm really not arsed about how 'bad' a buy Rodri is. I just want them to identify that they have to sign another player in that position. What they do with Rodri is neither here nor there. Fernandinho's definitely off so he'll definitely be a useful squad player if nobody wants to pay money for him.

Obviously I could be mental, but I think that the whole 'double pivot' thing isn't about Gundo/Rodri. It's that he doesn't trust Foden or Bernardo in that position that only leaves him with those two and KDB as his go to selection. In a weird way I sort of get it with Bernardo because he's been so bad and so ineffective it's painful to watch. But the Phil thing seems a bit harsh. He may not be David Silva in terms of his game intelligence, but his physicality and dynamism more than makes up for it.

The season is long and I don't think even if he wants to he'll be able to play Gundo/Rodri all season. At some point he'll have to 'trust' one of the others.

We're 8th in the league with players he does trust. Maybe it's time for him to accept he's misjudging his squad and if he's really unhappy with senior pros, givee the kids a go, backing Foden for a run of games, giving Doyle and Palmer time because 2bh, we wouldn't be much lower than 8th with them playing in most games and we'd be building for the future and making a statement of our long-term intent.

After 12 games compared to previous seasons under Pep:

20/21: 8th, W5 D5 L2, GS:18, GC:12, GD:+6, Pts: 20/36, PPG: 1.67, GS P/G: 1.5, GC P/G: 1, Win%: 41.7.
19/20: 4th, W8 D1 L3, GS: 35, GC: 13. GD: +22, Pts: 25/36, PPG: 2.08, GS P/G: 2.92, GC P/G: 1.08, Win %: 66.7
18/19: 1st, W10 D2 L0, GS: 36, GC: 5, GD: +31, Pts: 32/36, PPG: 2.67, GS P/G: 3, GC P/G: 0.42, Win %: 83.3.
17/18: 1st, W11 D1 L0, GS: 40, GC: 7, GD: +33, Pts: 34/36, PPG: 2.83, GS P/G: 3.33, GC P/G: 0.58, Win %: 91.7
16/17: 3rd, W8 D3 L1, GS: 27, GC: 11, GD: +16, Pts: 27/36, PPG: 2.25, GS P/G: 2.25, GC P/G: 0.92, Win%: 66.7.

This is a whole other level of bad under Pep, and you're right he gets judged on his past record. That's the benchmark and statement of ambition the club have set. At least if it was that record but we'd gone for a public policy of blooding youth early in the season because of the short turnaround and resting our key players there would be something to hold onto. Instead, we have to try and muster enthusiasm for Gundogan, Plodri, Mahrez, Sterling and Jesus and a bewildered, knackered and exasperated Kev. It's not enjoyable on its own terms and merit so the alternative is to reflect on the past 12 years, a global pandemic and not really be bothered anymore.

Like Morecambe & Wise on ITV it's just like "meh, I might watch but it's not the same". The club will be fine and there's little jeopardy outside of a UEFA court case so that side of supporting the club has gone, the only other side was experiencing the greatest team we'll ever see in our lifetimes. Now you're on the other side of that, and we've been hamstrung by VAR and off-field politics and positioning that we haven't crushed like we needed to, it's hard to find the "in" to rekindle that spark. Of course, it's bad "under Pep", there's no way of relating it to even the Hughes era let alone before, but the downside risk isn't there like in those days either, so it's hard to find something to hang your hat on in what seems a malaise throughout the club. I think people see negativity and criticism and sometimes miss that it's expressed in relation to City under Pep, rather than the overall experience of supporting City.
There's some rubbish being written about us at the moment, like we "mentally gave up early last season", yet we won 8/10 league games after lockdown, scoring 5 in four of the games, and 4 in two of the others, and we only conceded in 3 of them, scoring 34, and conceding just 4, I'd hate to think what we could do mentally switched on. Even the 2 games we didn't win (lost) were against 2 of the current top 6.

We've been disappointing so far this season (in the league) with too many draws, the football is certainly not the swash buckling stuff of our recent past, but we've only lost twice from 20 games in total, and have just had a run of 6 games without conceding a goal.

Far too much ridiculous pessimism around for me.
when it didn't matter. When it did matter v Lyon we caved again. We have not been the same squad since Jesus had his goal ruled v Spurs in the 2-2. We weren't right that day and haven't been since.
 
I'm taking a guess at this but I think the double pivot is something pep will still want to do even if we sell Rodri. I honestly think not getting Messi messed up Peps plans this season. I think if Messi signs he won't play lw or rw maybe Pep wants to play Messi where he played at Barca in the false 9 position where Messi got his best career tally for goals and assists. But Pep realises Messi is 34 and can't do all that running so a double pivot helps with that a lot. Meaning Messi could just stay up top and do his magic without worrying about defending. Then the midfield would have two CDMs one a Kante type the other a ball player and KDB as the guy being Messi. So from target's we are after Denis Zakaria is a Kante type player so he'd make sense for that role. Rodri was supposed to be a hybrid of a ball winner and playmaker but that hasn't happened.
 
So then why was the summer business rubbish
1 sold Leroy sane
2 didn’t replace David Silva
3 kept Eric Garcia
4 sold Angelino and kept mendy
5 didn’t buy a left back
6 fucked around with messi and he didn’t come
7 same but koulibaly
8 didn’t buy a forward

but yes we bought two decent centre backs and a good up coming winger
 
when it didn't matter. When it did matter v Lyon we caved again. We have not been the same squad since Jesus had his goal ruled v Spurs in the 2-2. We weren't right that day and haven't been since.
Sorry but that's rubbish, of course it mattered, we came back on fire in June, and also to say we weren't right the day we battered spurs and it ended 2-2 is laughable, it should have ended up 10-2, there was nothing wrong with us that day, other than we couldn't find the net, which has been a common trait through 15 months (at least), even in the 2 great seasons we missed too many. Using that goal as an excuse for now is pathetic.

We look poor at the moment because we can't score, not because of VAR or something in history. We didn't "cave" against Lyon, we just played shit in a one off game at a neutral venue, with the wrong side, something Pep owned himself. Teams play shit, everyone does at some point, to say we've been shit for months whilst ignoring the facts that we have been anything but, is just ridiculous pessimism, and sounds like the sort of entitlement that the armchair rags have.

We've no more or less right to win than anyone else, and if 2 defeats out of 20 isn't enough for you, you probably need a new sport.

And no I'm not enjoying our current form either, but it is what it is, we have some very good players who are badly out of form, and who are trying too hard (imho).
 
I think they thought they had FDJ locked down. In the end he 'chose' Barcelona. City put it out afterwards that they weren't going to pay what Barcelona paid in fee or wages, but that isn't the point because he chose to go to Barcelona and made the decision for City.

I'm really not arsed about how 'bad' a buy Rodri is. I just want them to identify that they have to sign another player in that position. What they do with Rodri is neither here nor there. Fernandinho's definitely off so he'll definitely be a useful squad player if nobody wants to pay money for him.

Obviously I could be mental, but I think that the whole 'double pivot' thing isn't about Gundo/Rodri. It's that he doesn't trust Foden or Bernardo in that position that only leaves him with those two and KDB as his go to selection. In a weird way I sort of get it with Bernardo because he's been so bad and so ineffective it's painful to watch. But the Phil thing seems a bit harsh. He may not be David Silva in terms of his game intelligence, but his physicality and dynamism more than makes up for it.

The season is long and I don't think even if he wants to he'll be able to play Gundo/Rodri all season. At some point he'll have to 'trust' one of the others.

I wonder if FDJ is the replacement then? Barca have put it out there he might need to go, he said he basically joined Barca to play with Messi, who won't be there, and Barcelona are one of the only clubs I can see wanting Rodri at something like his value. He is the kind of player who is so unique, so obviously the kind Pep would love, that I could see him jettisoning Rodri for him.

They'd then need to replace Fernandinho with someone physical and aggressive to play the Seydou Keita role, to come in and beef out the midfield when needed.



I agree with the idea he doesn't trust Foden at all in the centre, I think his comments about him playing wide until he's older (like Iniesta and Silva etc.) confirmed that. It's frustrating though because it was avoidable, he could and should have played Foden more and let him mature more before Silva left.

I thought when Foden hadn't basically replaced Silva by the end of last season like a normal successor would have, he'd buy someone like Aouar, who has a couple of years more experience playing every week at a high level and a more mature controlling game. I didn't think he'd just drop the idea of having two number 8s.

Anyway I still think we'll win the league because we have the players and manager to put a 10 game run together and like in 13/14 I think that's all it will take. The defence is solid, and if Pep wants to, he can get the intensity back and get the goals flowing.
 
Leeds have already got a buy clause of around £10m for him in this current loan deal.

Again, too low for a fairly young player with the potential to turn out a solid top level player. He hasn’t set the world alight in the PL, but has shown plenty of promise and ability worth a lot more than that.
Does this mean that if Leeds offer 10m we have to sell him to them or can we take him back.
 
1 sold Leroy sane
2 didn’t replace David Silva
3 kept Eric Garcia
4 sold Angelino and kept mendy
5 didn’t buy a left back
6 fucked around with messi and he didn’t come
7 same but koulibaly
8 didn’t buy a forward

but yes we bought two decent centre backs and a good up coming winger
1 we had no choice andI think Torres will be better.
2 I thought and so did many others Bernardo and Foden would
3 So what
4 Mendy is better in our system than Angelino
5 I agree
6 Messi made no difference to anything else.
7 Dias is a better buy than Koulibaly
8 Possibly, but could we accommodate 3 strikers and was the player we want to replace Aguero available and affordable.
 

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