Peter William Sutcliffe

Lupo said:
I have enjoyed reading this thread this morning as I am something of a true crime fan (Jack The Ripper, Yorkshire Ripper, Krays, West, Huntley, etc) and even drove to gawp at his house when I stayed in Bradford in 2014 and have read books on him including the imperious Wicked Beyond Belief and Somebody's Husband, Somebody's Son which is less forensic but takes a look at the man behind the beard.

As many have discussed on here, I never understood why so much belief was placed on the Wearside Jack tapes when so much evidence pointed to Sutcliffe who was a local man, a lorry driver and so distinctive looking and so similar to the photofits of survivors and witnesses - the black afro hair and black beard. He also had a high pitch Yorkshire accent as described by survivors, there are a couple of interviews with him on the internet and its fair to say his voice is rather distinctive.

He was interviewed several times and the Police considered him AND Sonia to be rather odd and suspicious but of course, no Wearside accent.

I was only a boy when the Ripper murders were occurring in sleepy Shropshire but I can remember t the time the fear gripping the nation with this faceless stranger prowling the street committing untold horrors on innocent women.

Reading SHSS it was evident that Sutcliffe in reality was quite a wimpy, insignificant nonentity of a man. A mommy's boy quite unlike his rough and tough Yorkshire father and brothers who saw him as a bit of an outcast. Whilst they liked football, cricket, hunting, etc, Sutcliffe was far more tied to his mother's apron strings. His main interest (apart from the obvious) seemed to be cars, motorbikes and driving. Gravedigging then lorry driving were his ideal careers.

He was actually caught parked up a secluded lane with a prostitute in his car. The Police questioned him and he claimed that they were lovers but the car had false plates. Before taking him in, Sutcliffe asked if he could relieve himself in the bushes. The Police allowed him to. One of them though was suspicious and returned to the scene the next day to discover that Sutcliffe had actually relieved himself of his killing kit in the bushes - a ball pein hammer and a screwdriver. They finally had their man.

A man who nobody will mourn, maybe Sonia as I think she was still in contact and still lives in the same house at 6 Garden Lane but that's about it.
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I’ve read Wicked Beyond Belief too and would implore anyone to read it as it’s a fantastic book about the whole investigation that at times reads like an edge of your seat novel. That might sound odd but that’s how Michael Bolton has you feeling because while the police made some widely publicised and unforgivable mistakes (Wearside Jack being the most obvious one of course), they were also very unlucky not to catch Sutcliffe earlier. Bilton describes several exhaustive lines of enquiry - tyre tracks and the interior of the perpetrator’s car are two from memory - where they narrowed things down to the point where they were closing in on Sutcliffe, only to have to abandon them when another murder happened which meant they didn’t have the manpower to continue pursuing those other leads. There was also the attack on one woman (who survived) where the police were on the scene almost immediately and Sutcliffe evaded them by only a couple of minutes or so.
Regarding Wearside Jack, as you say the obsession was so great with him that when one policeman (Laptew) went to interview Sutcliffe and had major reservations about him, he put in a report stating his concerns but it was effectively discarded because Sutcliffe’s accent was nothing like Wearside Jack’s.
The book also interestingly touches on a couple of attacks on men that happened before Sutcliffe’s known killing spree. One was an assault on a taxi driver in the late 60s and the other was a murder of a bookmaker around the same time who, from memory, lived on the same street as Sutcliffe’s brother. The evidence on the latter is only circumstantial to be fair but on the former the taxi driver was convinced that it was Sutcliffe who attacked him
 
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laserblue said:
My dad worked on this case after one of Sutcliffe's victims was found hidden in shrubbery in Southern Cemetery. Before she was found he'd returned to the scene as her body was partly dragged from the hiding place. At first the police thought he was taunting them by doing this but after he was caught it turned out he'd paid her in brand new notes from his recent pay packet and he was desperate to get them back to avoid them being traced back to him.

Horrible twat.
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My Dad worked on the case as well, remember him spending a lot of time in working in West Yorks in late 77/ early 78. ..
laserblue said:
My dad worked on this case after one of Sutcliffe's victims was found hidden in shrubbery in Southern Cemetery. Before she was found he'd returned to the scene as her body was partly dragged from the hiding place. At first the police thought he was taunting them by doing this but after he was caught it turned out he'd paid her in brand new notes from his recent pay packet and he was desperate to get them back to avoid them being traced back to him.

Horrible twat.
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My Dad worked on the case as well. Remember him spending a lot of time in West Yorkshire in late 77 and early 78 making enquir
laserblue said:
My dad worked on this case after one of Sutcliffe's victims was found hidden in shrubbery in Southern Cemetery. Before she was found he'd returned to the scene as her body was partly dragged from the hiding place. At first the police thought he was taunting them by doing this but after he was caught it turned out he'd paid her in brand new notes from his recent pay packet and he was desperate to get them back to avoid them being traced back to him.

Horrible twat.
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My Dad also worked on the case, remember him spend a lot of time across in West Yorks in late 77 and early 78 chasing up leads. He once told me that they traced the note to the factory and knew it had been issued to one of nine men but as Uncle Wally One Ball said the hoax tape sent to George Oldfield blew the investigation completely off course.
Always remember him saying to me about a year or so later that they would probably catch him for not paying a parking ticket or something minor like that and think it was two traffic cops who nicked him and only realised it was him when they got him to open the boot of his car and found the weapons.
 
TINY said:
What will they do with the body now? Don’t think I’ve ever paid any attention to what happens to pricks like this. Assuming no marked ‘resting’ place?
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Blue and still suffering said:
My Dad worked on the case as well, remember him spending a lot of time in working in West Yorks in late 77/ early 78. ..

My Dad worked on the case as well. Remember him spending a lot of time in West Yorkshire in late 77 and early 78 making enquir

My Dad also worked on the case, remember him spend a lot of time across in West Yorks in late 77 and early 78 chasing up leads. He once told me that they traced the note to the factory and knew it had been issued to one of nine men but as Uncle Wally One Ball said the hoax tape sent to George Oldfield blew the investigation completely off course.
Always remember him saying to me about a year or so later that they would probably catch him for not paying a parking ticket or something minor like that and think it was two traffic cops who nicked him and only realised it was him when they got him to open the boot of his car and found the weapons.
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As I said above, they suspected him to be in the company of a prostitute (he was) and a vehicle check revealed the car to have false plates so they took him in for questioning but not before he went for a wee in the bushes. A search of the bushes the next day discovered his hammer and screwdriver. If I recall, once in the station he admitted all
 
TINY said:
What will they do with the body now? Don’t think I’ve ever paid any attention to what happens to pricks like this. Assuming no marked ‘resting’ place?
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Saw a recent documentary last week on Brady, apparently they just cremated the twat and the police dumped his Ashes in the Irish Sea at liverpool
 
Blue and still suffering said:
My Dad also worked on the case, remember him spend a lot of time across in West Yorks in late 77 and early 78 chasing up leads. He once told me that they traced the note to the factory and knew it had been issued to one of nine men but as Uncle Wally One Ball said the hoax tape sent to George Oldfield blew the investigation completely off course.
Always remember him saying to me about a year or so later that they would probably catch him for not paying a parking ticket or something minor like that and think it was two traffic cops who nicked him and only realised it was him when they got him to open the boot of his car and found the weapons.
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I’m anything but a hang ‘em and flog ’em merchant, but John Humble (Wearside Jack) should have received a far stiffer sentence than eight years, given the maximum sentence for perverting the course of justice is life. He almost certainly caused, by way of his criminal act, multiple deaths. Absolute ****.
 
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