Petrov minutes applause

[TheBlueMagpie]

He was sat in Gareth Barry's box behind us with Jimmy Milner and I'm afraid he didn't look well at all and it put life into perspective seeing him. Sure every Blue wishes him the very best....

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Don't be too harsh on clubs that don't applaud back: most people just don't know what you're doing. In the league cup game the Villa fans applauded on 19 minutes, to the bemusement of the City fans, who did not reciprocate (myself included). Then after the minute was up Villa started singing "no respect my lord, no respect" - but it wasn't a lack of respect it was just ignorance. I'm sure most people would applaud if they knew the cause.

Really touching moment today to see the whole stadium joining together for something much bigger than a football match. Best wishes to the guy.

No excuse! It's been we'll documented what Villa fans do. On 19 minutes at every game, home and away.

Don't be daft.

Personally, I think that it's a bit of mawkish act that is symptomatic of a desire for 'oneupmanship' in society when it comes to 'showing how much you care'.

No right thinking person would wish him anything other than all the best in his recovery and anyone who sings, shouts or gestures anything to the contrary is pretty despicable.

However,I also think that Villa fans singing 'no respect' and getting on their high horse during every game where opposition fans don't wish to join in with their show is pathetic. Not only do a lot of people have no idea what they are doing but a lot of people might feel that it is more for the benefit of the fans and their egos than for the benefit of Petrov.

If I remember rightly, Petrov got a great and fitting reception at a game following his diagnosis. As have other players after traumatic events (Fabrice Muamba, Brad Jones and many, many others).

But if Villa fans want to play oneupmanship and make a show of it in every game then that is their business and nothing to do with anyone else. Hopefully, the chances are that he will make a recovery and turn out for Villa some time in the future. Fabrice Muamba will not be turning out for Bolton, Marc Vivian Foe will not be turning out for City again, Brad Jones' child won't see her dad play again. But should fans of Bolton, City, Liverpool and many other clubs seek to make every game about those issues and berate other fans if they don't wish to join in with - seeking to ludicrously equate that with a lack of respect or a lack of humanity? Of course not.

Whilst Petrov is no doubt grateful for all the support he receives, I suspect that, if honest, he would be quite happy with the welcome he got on the pitch a few months ago and the daily, personal good wishes and help he will receive from individuals at Villa and Villa fans. I'm not sure that the Villa fans wishing to make a show of themselves and their 'caring' would be either expected by him, make a jot of difference to his feelings/recovery or mean anything near as much as genuine, personal acts, best wishes and help that he receives from people (some of whom are no doubt the same who are seeking to make the 19th minute of each game a show).

Sorry, I know this will be unpopular, but this is just oneupmanship and setting a precedent for the next set of fans to go further and extend their 'show of care/grief' even further for the next incident. Totally out of scale for circumstances that are terrible but nowhere near the worst to be associated with football.

No, I think the main difference is that the 3 cases you mentioned(Muamba, Foe & Jones) are finished ie. nothing anybody can do can change it, whereas Petrov is still battling and if, as he does, turns up to matches then I think it's a good gesture to try and keep his spirits up and keep him fighting if everyone supports him.

I understand why they do it and why it's different to other cases. It would have been like not bothering with Billy_Big_Spuds after he first told us he was ill, it wouldn't have been nice at all. Villa fans are doing what they can to support his fight every week, and I think it's a good thing to do.

Once he comes back I expect him to get the support for that game and I'd assume it would stop from then on, but until then Villa fans are right to give him that backing imo.

 

[jma]

No excuse! It's been we'll documented what Villa fans do. On 19 minutes at every game, home and away.

Don't be daft.

Personally, I think that it's a bit of mawkish act that is symptomatic of a desire for 'oneupmanship' in society when it comes to 'showing how much you care'.

No right thinking person would wish him anything other than all the best in his recovery and anyone who sings, shouts or gestures anything to the contrary is pretty despicable.

However,I also think that Villa fans singing 'no respect' and getting on their high horse during every game where opposition fans don't wish to join in with their show is pathetic. Not only do a lot of people have no idea what they are doing but a lot of people might feel that it is more for the benefit of the fans and their egos than for the benefit of Petrov.

If I remember rightly, Petrov got a great and fitting reception at a game following his diagnosis. As have other players after traumatic events (Fabrice Muamba, Brad Jones and many, many others).

But if Villa fans want to play oneupmanship and make a show of it in every game then that is their business and nothing to do with anyone else. Hopefully, the chances are that he will make a recovery and turn out for Villa some time in the future. Fabrice Muamba will not be turning out for Bolton, Marc Vivian Foe will not be turning out for City again, Brad Jones' child won't see her dad play again. But should fans of Bolton, City, Liverpool and many other clubs seek to make every game about those issues and berate other fans if they don't wish to join in with - seeking to ludicrously equate that with a lack of respect or a lack of humanity? Of course not.

Whilst Petrov is no doubt grateful for all the support he receives, I suspect that, if honest, he would be quite happy with the welcome he got on the pitch a few months ago and the daily, personal good wishes and help he will receive from individuals at Villa and Villa fans. I'm not sure that the Villa fans wishing to make a show of themselves and their 'caring' would be either expected by him, make a jot of difference to his feelings/recovery or mean anything near as much as genuine, personal acts, best wishes and help that he receives from people (some of whom are no doubt the same who are seeking to make the 19th minute of each game a show).

Sorry, I know this will be unpopular, but this is just oneupmanship and setting a precedent for the next set of fans to go further and extend their 'show of care/grief' even further for the next incident. Totally out of scale for circumstances that are terrible but nowhere near the worst to be associated with football.

No, I think the main difference is that the 3 cases you mentioned(Muamba, Foe & Jones) are finished ie. nothing anybody can do can change it, whereas Petrov is still battling and if, as he does, turns up to matches then I think it's a good gesture to try and keep his spirits up and keep him fighting if everyone supports him.

I understand why they do it and why it's different to other cases. It would have been like not bothering with Billy_Big_Spuds after he first told us he was ill, it wouldn't have been nice at all. Villa fans are doing what they can to support his fight every week, and I think it's a good thing to do.

Once he comes back I expect him to get the support for that game and I'd assume it would stop from then on, but until then Villa fans are right to give him that backing imo.

Well, Fabrice Muamba's 'issue' is certainly not over and he is still in the middle of a recovery.

The only difference being that he is no longer a Bolton player thanks to his incident. Although I doubt anyone wants to go down the road of "someone is only deserving of recognition if they are under contract to play for a football club."

Other issues, like the Jones one, are also unlikely to be 'finished' in the minds of the individuals affected by them.

Football, like life, is littered with extremely regrettable incidents where players or people associated are diagnosed with serious illness. John Hartson (not contracted to a club at the time so perhaps, like Muamba, no-one should care - if caring is holding a silly ritual), Jason Cundy, the coach at Blackpool last year are the first that immediately spring to my mind but I'm sure that there are many, many others.

I'm not trying to trivialise Petrov's illness and would genuinely wish him all the best and a full and healthy recovery. I'd love to see him playing for Villa again. I'm not sure how this little ritual and the barracking of opposing supporters for not joining in can not be viewed as oneupmanship though. Unless there are other examples of similar incidents being marked at every single football game played by a club.

If we want to get deep about it then it's symptomatic of the rush to be seen to be concerned/hurt/angered/etc that is prevalent in certain sections of society and the outrage that goes with it. With serious events often being immediately subject to people thinking "how can we show that we care about this in the most public way possible." In many cases without being backed up by more worthwhile tangible actions (I've no idea if that is the case here but the oneupmanship and public emoting is definitely in play).

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

Don't be daft.

Personally, I think that it's a bit of mawkish act that is symptomatic of a desire for 'oneupmanship' in society when it comes to 'showing how much you care'.

No right thinking person would wish him anything other than all the best in his recovery and anyone who sings, shouts or gestures anything to the contrary is pretty despicable.

However,I also think that Villa fans singing 'no respect' and getting on their high horse during every game where opposition fans don't wish to join in with their show is pathetic. Not only do a lot of people have no idea what they are doing but a lot of people might feel that it is more for the benefit of the fans and their egos than for the benefit of Petrov.

If I remember rightly, Petrov got a great and fitting reception at a game following his diagnosis. As have other players after traumatic events (Fabrice Muamba, Brad Jones and many, many others).

But if Villa fans want to play oneupmanship and make a show of it in every game then that is their business and nothing to do with anyone else. Hopefully, the chances are that he will make a recovery and turn out for Villa some time in the future. Fabrice Muamba will not be turning out for Bolton, Marc Vivian Foe will not be turning out for City again, Brad Jones' child won't see her dad play again. But should fans of Bolton, City, Liverpool and many other clubs seek to make every game about those issues and berate other fans if they don't wish to join in with - seeking to ludicrously equate that with a lack of respect or a lack of humanity? Of course not.

Whilst Petrov is no doubt grateful for all the support he receives, I suspect that, if honest, he would be quite happy with the welcome he got on the pitch a few months ago and the daily, personal good wishes and help he will receive from individuals at Villa and Villa fans. I'm not sure that the Villa fans wishing to make a show of themselves and their 'caring' would be either expected by him, make a jot of difference to his feelings/recovery or mean anything near as much as genuine, personal acts, best wishes and help that he receives from people (some of whom are no doubt the same who are seeking to make the 19th minute of each game a show).

Sorry, I know this will be unpopular, but this is just oneupmanship and setting a precedent for the next set of fans to go further and extend their 'show of care/grief' even further for the next incident. Totally out of scale for circumstances that are terrible but nowhere near the worst to be associated with football.

No, I think the main difference is that the 3 cases you mentioned(Muamba, Foe & Jones) are finished ie. nothing anybody can do can change it, whereas Petrov is still battling and if, as he does, turns up to matches then I think it's a good gesture to try and keep his spirits up and keep him fighting if everyone supports him.

I understand why they do it and why it's different to other cases. It would have been like not bothering with Billy_Big_Spuds after he first told us he was ill, it wouldn't have been nice at all. Villa fans are doing what they can to support his fight every week, and I think it's a good thing to do.

Once he comes back I expect him to get the support for that game and I'd assume it would stop from then on, but until then Villa fans are right to give him that backing imo.

Well, Fabrice Muamba's 'issue' is certainly not over and he is still in the middle of a recovery.

The only difference being that he is no longer a Bolton player thanks to his incident. Although I doubt anyone wants to go down the road of "someone is only deserving of recognition if they are under contract to play for a football club."

Other issues, like the Jones one, are also unlikely to be 'finished' in the minds of the individuals affected by them.

Football, like life, is littered with extremely regrettable incidents where players or people associated are diagnosed with serious illness. John Hartson (not contracted to a club at the time so perhaps, like Muamba, no-one should care - if caring is holding a silly ritual), Jason Cundy, the coach at Blackpool last year are the first that immediately spring to my mind but I'm sure that there are many, many others.

I'm not trying to trivialise Petrov's illness and would genuinely wish him all the best and a full and healthy recovery. I'd love to see him playing for Villa again. I'm not sure how this little ritual and the barracking of opposing supporters for not joining in can not be viewed as oneupmanship though. Unless there are other examples of similar incidents being marked at every single football game played by a club.

If we want to get deep about it then it's symptomatic of the rush to be seen to be concerned/hurt/anger it. With serious events often being immediately subject to people thinking "how can we show that we care about this in the most public way possible." In many cases without being backed up by more worthwhile tangible actions (I've no idea if that is the case here but the oneupmanship and public emoting is definitely in play).

that's Bolton's prerogative at the end of the day, Villa fans want to applaud on the 19th minute so that's their choice, they shouldn't have a go at others for not joining in but these days it's the culture that you're expected to join it, it's an issue I agree but on them actually clapping Petrov I don't see the issue.

 

[Skashion]

Don't be too harsh on clubs that don't applaud back: most people just don't know what you're doing. In the league cup game the Villa fans applauded on 19 minutes, to the bemusement of the City fans, who did not reciprocate (myself included). Then after the minute was up Villa started singing "no respect my lord, no respect" - but it wasn't a lack of respect it was just ignorance. I'm sure most people would applaud if they knew the cause.

Really touching moment today to see the whole stadium joining together for something much bigger than a football match. Best wishes to the guy.

The 'no respect' chant left me incensed. We didn't have a clue what it was about until half-time, when the whole ground (those in the stands) anyway, applauded Petrov. The Villa fans shouldn't so arrogant as to assume everyone knows that it's now something they do. I don't think even Bluemoon had been alerted to it and Bluemooners are usually the ones who disseminate this kind of info to other fans.

Anyway, glad there was none of that ugly business yesterday now that we actually are aware of it.

 

[The Silver Surfer]

I thought at the time "what the fucks this about"? and ignored it tbh.
Did they have his pic up on the big screen or anything? Whats 19 got to do with anything? Shirt number?

Sorry for the ignorance I was watching the game.

 

[LittleStan]

Well, Fabrice Muamba's 'issue' is certainly not over and he is still in the middle of a recovery.

The only difference being that he is no longer a Bolton player thanks to his incident. Although I doubt anyone wants to go down the road of "someone is only deserving of recognition if they are under contract to play for a football club."

Other issues, like the Jones one, are also unlikely to be 'finished' in the minds of the individuals affected by them.

Football, like life, is littered with extremely regrettable incidents where players or people associated are diagnosed with serious illness. John Hartson (not contracted to a club at the time so perhaps, like Muamba, no-one should care - if caring is holding a silly ritual), Jason Cundy, the coach at Blackpool last year are the first that immediately spring to my mind but I'm sure that there are many, many others.

I'm not trying to trivialise Petrov's illness and would genuinely wish him all the best and a full and healthy recovery. I'd love to see him playing for Villa again. I'm not sure how this little ritual and the barracking of opposing supporters for not joining in can not be viewed as oneupmanship though. Unless there are other examples of similar incidents being marked at every single football game played by a club.

If we want to get deep about it then it's symptomatic of the rush to be seen to be concerned/hurt/angered/etc that is prevalent in certain sections of society and the outrage that goes with it. With serious events often being immediately subject to people thinking "how can we show that we care about this in the most public way possible." In many cases without being backed up by more worthwhile tangible actions (I've no idea if that is the case here but the oneupmanship and public emoting is definitely in play).

I think I am with you on this jma. Unfortunately this is the world we now live in. Facebook status update trying to make people guilty if they don't copy and paste, sudden outrage if somebody doesn't wear a poppy by people who don't understand what the poppy is for. It is all over the place and has grown since Diana.

Personally I think grief / sadness should be more private.

However, I have to agree with Joe Mercers Way also, there is nothing wrong with fans showing genuine affection for a player. Whether other fans should be critised for not doing so is the issue.

 

[BlueHalli]

No, I think the main difference is that the 3 cases you mentioned(Muamba, Foe & Jones) are finished ie. nothing anybody can do can change it, whereas Petrov is still battling and if, as he does, turns up to matches then I think it's a good gesture to try and keep his spirits up and keep him fighting if everyone supports him.

I understand why they do it and why it's different to other cases. It would have been like not bothering with Billy_Big_Spuds after he first told us he was ill, it wouldn't have been nice at all. Villa fans are doing what they can to support his fight every week, and I think it's a good thing to do.

Once he comes back I expect him to get the support for that game and I'd assume it would stop from then on, but until then Villa fans are right to give him that backing imo.

Well, Fabrice Muamba's 'issue' is certainly not over and he is still in the middle of a recovery.

The only difference being that he is no longer a Bolton player thanks to his incident. Although I doubt anyone wants to go down the road of "someone is only deserving of recognition if they are under contract to play for a football club."

Other issues, like the Jones one, are also unlikely to be 'finished' in the minds of the individuals affected by them.

Football, like life, is littered with extremely regrettable incidents where players or people associated are diagnosed with serious illness. John Hartson (not contracted to a club at the time so perhaps, like Muamba, no-one should care - if caring is holding a silly ritual), Jason Cundy, the coach at Blackpool last year are the first that immediately spring to my mind but I'm sure that there are many, many others.

I'm not trying to trivialise Petrov's illness and would genuinely wish him all the best and a full and healthy recovery. I'd love to see him playing for Villa again. I'm not sure how this little ritual and the barracking of opposing supporters for not joining in can not be viewed as oneupmanship though. Unless there are other examples of similar incidents being marked at every single football game played by a club.

If we want to get deep about it then it's symptomatic of the rush to be seen to be concerned/hurt/anger it. With serious events often being immediately subject to people thinking "how can we show that we care about this in the most public way possible." In many cases without being backed up by more worthwhile tangible actions (I've no idea if that is the case here but the oneupmanship and public emoting is definitely in play).

that's Bolton's prerogative at the end of the day, Villa fans want to applaud on the 19th minute so that's their choice, they shouldn't have a go at others for not joining in but these days it's the culture that you're expected to join it, it's an issue I agree but on them actually clapping Petrov I don't see the issue.

Why anyone would choose to stand with arms folded and not join in (cant be bothered to join in) is a little baffleing. I understand that those that are unaware of it might not join in, but those that are aware of it should join in out of respect. Its not exactly askin alot is it.

Anyways, really proud of our club and the fans that showed class.

 

[jma]

Well, Fabrice Muamba's 'issue' is certainly not over and he is still in the middle of a recovery.

The only difference being that he is no longer a Bolton player thanks to his incident. Although I doubt anyone wants to go down the road of "someone is only deserving of recognition if they are under contract to play for a football club."

Other issues, like the Jones one, are also unlikely to be 'finished' in the minds of the individuals affected by them.

Football, like life, is littered with extremely regrettable incidents where players or people associated are diagnosed with serious illness. John Hartson (not contracted to a club at the time so perhaps, like Muamba, no-one should care - if caring is holding a silly ritual), Jason Cundy, the coach at Blackpool last year are the first that immediately spring to my mind but I'm sure that there are many, many others.

I'm not trying to trivialise Petrov's illness and would genuinely wish him all the best and a full and healthy recovery. I'd love to see him playing for Villa again. I'm not sure how this little ritual and the barracking of opposing supporters for not joining in can not be viewed as oneupmanship though. Unless there are other examples of similar incidents being marked at every single football game played by a club.

If we want to get deep about it then it's symptomatic of the rush to be seen to be concerned/hurt/anger it. With serious events often being immediately subject to people thinking "how can we show that we care about this in the most public way possible." In many cases without being backed up by more worthwhile tangible actions (I've no idea if that is the case here but the oneupmanship and public emoting is definitely in play).

that's Bolton's prerogative at the end of the day, Villa fans want to applaud on the 19th minute so that's their choice, they shouldn't have a go at others for not joining in but these days it's the culture that you're expected to join it, it's an issue I agree but on them actually clapping Petrov I don't see the issue.

Why anyone would choose to stand with arms folded and not join in (cant be bothered to join in) is a little baffleing. I understand that those that are unaware of it might not join in, but those that are aware of it should join in out of respect. Its not exactly askin alot is it.

Anyways, really proud of our club and the fans that showed class.

Just out of interest, would you consider the other cancer sufferers who were no doubt in the crowd yesterday to have no class if they decided that actually they weren't going to, for a full minute, stand clapping someone else who is going through exactly the same thing as them. Especially when they had been encouraged to do exactly the same thing in respect of the same person only a month earlier?

And if we get Villa in the cup in two months should those same people 'have some class' and stop for a minute to applaud the same man going through circumstances extremely similar to their own?

And should we, as City fans, be clapping those of our own fighting the same disease at every match? Or standing to applaud them whenever we see them during the week?

 

[Kingthing]

Sadly our mindless minority have turned this 19 minutes applause into a shambles. We do it as a tribute to him (his shirt number) it's not meant to be a wind up to opposition supporters and the majority of us with half an ounce of common sense know that not everyone knows why we're doing it (why would they). Unfortunately the others that take it upon themselves to give it the "no respect" bollocks after the applause.

Apart from yesterday there's not been a game where it hasn't happened and I'm at that point where I go and take a piss on 19 minutes to avoid twating someone. We're on our second thread on Heroes and Villains debating whether to knock it on the head.