PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Keeper! said:
WE do but there is an argument it could be even higher and I believe it will be when we are cleared.

Do you genuinely believe the campaign to discredit our club has worked to an extent?

I do, and if it has, some sponsors have to be put off getting involved with us
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Agreed coupled with the fact that our new supporters are yet to reach the massive volumes of say Pool or MU.

We have succeeded on the field but our new support has yet to mature.
 
petrusha said:
And a decision on the part of the PL to decline to charge City would have been met with vituperative condemnation from the usual suspects and, most likely, from far wider quarters than that.
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Probably, but do they think will come up smelling of roses if everything substantial gets decided in the club's favour?

This is why I don't buy the independent regulator argument. Nothing shouts the need for an IR more than an organisation that unfairly, and inappropriately if the findings are against the PL, over-reaches itself against a member. If they are worried about the IR, they should be making sure proper process is followed at all times, so they can say: look we can do this properly ourselves.

FFP was Platini's mess because he was too weak to stand up against the usual suspects. If the PL isn't careful, this could be a similar mess for them because they were too weak to stand up against the same.

Anyway, just a few thoughts. Don't waste your time replying to them.
 
SilverFox2 said:
Agreed coupled with the fact that our new supporters are yet to reach the massive volumes of say Pool or MU.

We have succeeded on the field but our new support has yet to mature.
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We have made huge strides in to Asia but again in those markets people are not interested in the allegations.
 
Chris in London said:
Reliable sources? No. But we have some reasonably clear pointers.

First, I'm discounting Tolmie's point that the club think this is going to be done and dusted quickly. Not because I think he's wrong, but because if it is done and dusted quickly its either because we have cut a deal - not likely - or there has been a massive climbdown of humiliating proportions by the PL.

Next, you've seen the number of charges and the range of issues they cover. Each and every one of those will have to be looked at carefully in order to determine whether the club is guilty of the breaches of PL rules alleged. That will take a significant amount of time.

Just to work the maths through, imagine it took in 'court' half a day to debate each charge. That's over fifty days, so over ten weeks of 'court' time. Just juggling the diaries so that our team, the PL team and the panel are all available over the same ten week period will take some doing, and in practical terms that means it won't happen soon. I should stress that half a day on each count is, in my view, a massive understatement, I just use that figure to illustrate the problem.

Then there is the preliminary work that needs to be done. There have been a number of discussions about what the PL needs to prove and what evidence they need to prove it. It would be a matter for the independent tribunal how they go about deciding this case, but I would be very surprised if they didn't want both sides to set out chapter and verse as to why each one of the alleged breaches is made out, or not made out as the case may be. That process of them first, then us, setting out our stalls is going to take time. Lots of it.

Then there is the question of what evidence is needed. Much of this will be contained in the material already disclosed, but if we say rely on something not covered in the investigation - eg documents from our sponsors or other third parties (eg Mancini) that so far the PL has not had access to, they would be entitled to raise questions about that and/or seek further documents. They are entitled to prior warning of what our case is, in other words, and to ask whether there are other documents that might relate to the defence we are mounting.

Finally, these allegations are incredibly serious. As I see it, the PL is by implication asserting that some very heavy duty players - Khaldoon, HHSM himself, many other senior officers at both MCFC and our sponsors/commercial partners, have all conspired to cook the books. The seriousness of the allegations means, in my view, that the panel will, when considering its decision, look with very great care at all of the allegations. The process of coming up with a decision in a case like this is going to take some time.

So when you add all that together, if this fights all the way my assessment is that nothing will happen this season, or next season, and it may be some time into the season beyond that as well It could be a lot longer. My assessment is that it will not be sooner than 18 months and it might be 3-4 years.
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Being totally thick here but in a way the police have to get the CPS to say we have a reasonable case to get a conviction ,
Is this panel similar to the CPS in the way it can say this lots not going to stand up and dismiss it or have we gone past this point and the allegations will definitely be heard ?
 
Keeper! said:
Lack of a new shirt sponsor for one, despite an extensive search.

You would not think companies would be fighting to have their name on our shirts after the last decade?
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Possibly, but it won't be a UK or European sponsor, more likely a global sponsor, I imagine (you said it's particularly damaging for UK and European sponsors unless I am mistaken?).

You could be right, though, global sponsors could be waiting for an outcome before committing to a major sponsorship for ten years.

I probably would unless I had a very good relationship with Mansour/Khaldoon. And if I did, I wouldn't be on here talking to you lot :)
 
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