PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Prestwich_Blue said:
I do now wonder if that's why City have gone to court, claiming that the PL are charging us with transactions that weren't actually against the rules that existed when they took place.
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There is no court (or even arbitration) route to go down for a dispute like this. This would simply be a defence at the independent panel.

Something wrong with Zeigler article. Much of it (obviously briefed by someone) doesn't make much logical sense. I'd be cautious reading too much into it.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Well, this is the thing. As I understand it, they aren't disputing the value of the sponsorship. They are suggesting that the Etihad sponsorship was funded into Etihad by Mansour and so should be shown as equity investment rather than income. It's a ludicrous notion. It won't have any chance of success.
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If you look through the charges you get the impression of a witch hunt based on assumptions and the frustration that comes with it, they were not happy when Uefa couldn't punish us and took it upon themselves to carry out the task but they'd fail here too as assumptions won't hold up without evidence and they have feck all
 
projectriver said:
There is no court (or even arbitration) route to go down for a dispute like this. This would simply be a defence at the independent panel.

Something wrong with Zeigler article. Much of it (obviously briefed by someone) doesn't make much logical sense. I'd be cautious reading too much into it.
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Unlike you, I'm no lawyer but I've been telling people to treat the story about objecting to Murray Rosen with a large pinch of salt. Based on what you've said previously, I thought the only thing we could go to court on is where there was a dispute of a point of law or where we were claiming abuse of process. As we're not aware anything substantive has happened yet, maybe not even appointment of the 3-man panel, then that must rule out any issue over a point of law.

That seems to suggest to me that the only other reason we could go to court is over abuse of process, but that process has barely started.
 
This is my first post. I have supported City since the late 1970s and have been a season ticket/card holder since 1995 when we moved close enough to Manchester to make the journeys. I have read the forums for many years now and have learned more about issues such as this from threads like this than any other source. I have no great insight on this and do not have access to any privileged information or legal skills. But it’s nice to share thought with fellow blues. Like everyone else on here I have been disgusted with the coverage of the charges and find the concerted efforts of the red-top teams to bring us down appalling. I have tried arguing our case on social media and tried to inform fans of the usual suspects what is actually going on. But as many have pointed out on here it’s virtually impossible to get over the uninformed rants which usually contain the words ‘cheat’, ‘oil money’, ‘state-owned’ etc – you all know the narrative. I’m torn between trying to tell as many people as I can about the injustices we have suffered from the avaricious behaviour of the red-top clubs and just giving it up as whatever you say they come back with the same misguided nonsense.



We all tend to think our own are the best. But one thing I am absolutely convinced about is the integrity of the owners and the excellent management team they have installed right through the club. I used to teach in a university Management School and it always seemed a huge irony that if you were looking for an organisation that had great vision and achieved such great success in its corporate strategy as a case study – MCFC would be a magnificent example. Yet the ‘football authorities’ are trying to crush us and reward inefficient competitors who come nowhere near our standards of excellence. Problem is how you do you convince people that is true? I often tell myself to just forget the background noise and just concentrate on the magnificent football we have been luck enough to witness over recent years. But it’s not good pretending that I am not hurt by the constant jibes and untruths which are thrown our way. The other thing I am certain of is the resilience of our fans. I will always remember the first game in the third division (or whatever it was called then). Full to the rafters at Maine Road and we prevailed – like we will against this corrupt campaign to smear us. We have strong and capable management, owners with vision, an innovative coach who has changed the face of English football and we have fans who will fight and never give up. Apologies if much of my post is just emotional and lacks any facts of substance – we all know what I’m trying to say – but I think it’s still worth saying.
 
halfcenturyup said:
A couple of points:

I know you are trying to be reasonable but you have fallen for the media narrative that the club has "infinte wealth". We have a rich owner, yes, but he is limited as to what he can invest in squads the same as anyone else.

Also, I don't think City fans despise "super clubs", at least no more than other rival fans. It's the arrogance of these "super clubs" who want a closed shop that grates, in the case of CIty for obvious reasons.

Lastly, your salary cap idea won't float, I don't think, nor should it. There is a club level salary cap that will limit wages and amortisation to 70% of revenues soon. So I am not sure there would be much point testing European labour law for no reason whatsoever..

I will throw you a few bones, though. It's true that City have a higher potential for sponsorship revenues because of who our owners and our directors are. I sometimes have a tinge of guilt about that. But then I remember how Liverpool and United became so successful and I don't give a toss anymore. You want to compete? Get better executives, and probably better owners.

It is also true that our owners can invest as much as they want into CFG, buying new clubs to strengthen recruitment. I haven't seen much benefit to City as yet, but if I was one of the "heritage" clubs of yours, I would stop worrying about what happened ten years ago and start looking at that particular steam train that is hurtling to wards them very, very quickly.

Lastly, it is true that the infrastructure investment exemption has meant we could invest large amounts in the academy, for example, largely unhindered. You can expect the benefits of that little investment to become obvious in the next five years. But don't blame us. We didn't make the rules.
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Exactly this. They still don't seem to have grasped the scope of the march that we stole on them.

Been telling my red-supporting friends over here for years: that wasn't just a Blue Moon that rose, it was a Blue DeathStar.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
Unlike you, I'm no lawyer but I've been telling people to treat the story about objecting to Murray Rosen with a large pinch of salt. Based on what you've said previously, I thought the only thing we could go to court on is where there was a dispute of a point of law or where we were claiming abuse of process. As we're not aware anything substantive has happened yet, maybe not even appointment of the 3-man panel, then that must rule out any issue over a point of law.

That seems to suggest to me that the only other reason we could go to court is over abuse of process, but that process has barely started.
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As I said earlier on this thread. We've been to the High Court on the potential "unconscious bias" of the panel in the earlier disputes re the investigation. It was comprehensively dismissed then - I just can't see how any court says Rosen is unsuitable to appoint a panel (or sit on one) purely as an Arsenal fan. If he has said things or City have specific evidence of bias, then that is different. So I am sceptical, Rosen is at the centre of any winnable dispute.
 
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