PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Brendan110_0]

I’m still baffled to why united haven’t been charged.
2020 they lost £23m
2021 they lost £92m
2022 they lost £115m
£230m over 3 years
Premier league ffp only allow a total of £105m losses over a 3 year period.
What am I missing?
Apart from the obvious of course.

Liverpool failed FFP too. Where’s their investigation for not meeting UEFA requirements?

 

[crazyg]

Why are Arsenal a "heritage club" and the likes of City arent? In what decade does a club become a heritage club?

Because we've no 'istree. That's why we are not a heritage club. The fact that the highest attendance for a match outside Wembley was set by City at 84,569 at Maine Road - in 1934!
While we're at it, especially in view of the alleged charges being levied at City currently, driven mainly by clubs who are owned by Americans and play in red- yes, the "heritage" clubs! How did they get to become successful?That's right, by massive investment from wealthy "sugar daddies" in years gone by. In Arsenal's case, it becomes more intriguing. How did they get into the first division in 1919, after finishing 5th in division 2? I wasn't around at that time (unlike @oakiecokie ;-), but Arsenal fans have the temerity to accuse City of cheating. Pot calling kettle?

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Liverpool failed FFP too. Where’s their investigation for not meeting UEFA requirements?

Both are exempt from examination for FFP under the " protected species " clause in the legislation .

 

[Charlesfarsbar]

Pep seems happy enough to do it. Pretty good at it too.

He wasn’t very happy when that **** Harris asked him if was taking back handers after the last fa cup final win

perhaps we’ll get a Khaldoun special at the end of the season and he comes out all guns blazing

 

[Gremlin]

Exactly. This is the sort of social circle our owner lives in.
Be afraid, PL, be very afraid.

Pfft - I've shaken Charlie's hand, as has half of the Western world. Don't think the PL are going to listen to me either.

 

[Coatigan]

It changed mate as soon as we took Madrid's trousers down, it was then that they all realised what they are dealing with. Coupled with the fact that we could well emulate the wankers over the road treble, then they cant keep on calling the cunts the treble winners-we will virtually be throwing that title of theirs in the bin.

Like our title treble got thrown in the bin?

We won the domestic treble, which seems to be irrelevant. With proclamations like 'we have the chance to win our first treble', we can 'become only the second side to win the treble', it is clear our previous one doesn't mean anything any more.

Oh and when Liverpool were chasing the cup treble last year, with us having already secured the league, it was still described as 'the treble', so I'm not buying that there is only one 'right' kind of treble.

 

[halfcenturyup]

I think thats the issue rival fans have. The Football played on the pitch seems to be downstream from who your owners are. People havent gotten bullish on Newcastle all of a sudden because they have a young Messi in their youth system.

That guy in the photo (not Charles), is the most influential football figure in English football for 30 years, even bigger than Ferguson. He has basically torn up the landscape of the English football landscape.

The counter argument is that the heritage clubs get overturned and it allows clubs like City and Newcastle who historically found it hard to get/stay at the upper end of the table. However in doing so you become the very thing you complain about, by becoming a modern super club with infinite wealth to maintain high standards.

I think a European salary cap needs should be introduced across all major leagues. The best players can earn their money from image rights rather than salary from clubs. Or move toward a Bundesliga model with majority fan ownership of clubs.

A couple of points:

I know you are trying to be reasonable but you have fallen for the media narrative that the club has "infinte wealth". We have a rich owner, yes, but he is limited as to what he can invest in squads the same as anyone else.

Also, I don't think City fans despise "super clubs", at least no more than other rival fans. It's the arrogance of these "super clubs" who want a closed shop that grates, in the case of CIty for obvious reasons.

Lastly, your salary cap idea won't float, I don't think, nor should it. There is a club level salary cap that will limit wages and amortisation to 70% of revenues soon. So I am not sure there would be much point testing European labour law for no reason whatsoever..

I will throw you a few bones, though. It's true that City have a higher potential for sponsorship revenues because of who our owners and our directors are. I sometimes have a tinge of guilt about that. But then I remember how Liverpool and United became so successful and I don't give a toss anymore. You want to compete? Get better executives, and probably better owners.

It is also true that our owners can invest as much as they want into CFG, buying new clubs to strengthen recruitment. I haven't seen much benefit to City as yet, but if I was one of the "heritage" clubs of yours, I would stop worrying about what happened ten years ago and start looking at that particular steam train that is hurtling to wards them very, very quickly.

Lastly, it is true that the infrastructure investment exemption has meant we could invest large amounts in the academy, for example, largely unhindered. You can expect the benefits of that little investment to become obvious in the next five years. But don't blame us. We didn't make the rules.

 

[BlueAnorak]

Apparantly the red cartel clubs are furious that the inflated charges haven't been pushed through trhe Kangaroo court quickly enough.
Independent Paywall Article: https://archive.ph/TOrB8

 

[BlueAnorak]

maybe there is a longer game being played, maybe the cartel want city to prove their innocence ,take the pl to court , make the pl not fit for purpose because they falsely accused one of "our members" paving the way for a super league, the super league has been in the making for a long time , and maybe the cartel are a little bit more savvy than they look ,it wouldn't surprise me

It would completely surprise me.

 

[I'm Blue]

Liverpool failed FFP too. Where’s their investigation for not meeting UEFA requirements?

They’d have failed it twice if they hadn’t offset about £30m on an imaginary new stadium.
No investigation.
They also hacked our scouting database.
No investigation.
We were told that’s cos it’s time barred.
That happened in 2013, a year we’ve been charged for.
United have been investigated by HMRC (they might still be investigating)
Where’s the premier leagues investigation into united?
The whole thing fucking stinks.
We are treated differently on the pitch and we’re certainly treated differently off it.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Apparantly the red cartel clubs are furious that the inflated charges haven't been Kangaroos into court quickly enough.
Independent Paywall Article: https://archive.ph/TOrB8

So am I. What purpose was there (other than to damage the club) of announcing a charging decision with no clear timeline for resolution.

 

[vicblueman]

Is it time that management of the club got tough with Carragher & Neville with their constant digs at the club, FFP allegations, plus carragher keeps saying state run club .
These 2 are a pair of ignorant idiots ,they shouldn't be allowed on the premises of MCFC .
Ban them.

 

[dave_blue12]

I think thats the issue rival fans have. The Football played on the pitch seems to be downstream from who your owners are. People havent gotten bullish on Newcastle all of a sudden because they have a young Messi in their youth system.

That guy in the photo (not Charles), is the most influential football figure in English football for 30 years, even bigger than Ferguson. He has basically torn up the landscape of the English football landscape.

The counter argument is that the heritage clubs get overturned and it allows clubs like City and Newcastle who historically found it hard to get/stay at the upper end of the table. However in doing so you become the very thing you complain about, by becoming a modern super club with infinite wealth to maintain high standards.

I think a European salary cap needs should be introduced across all major leagues. The best players can earn their money from image rights rather than salary from clubs. Or move toward a Bundesliga model with majority fan ownership of clubs.

Always the response of the G14 clubs. Let’s change the rules so we can win again. I’ll bet you weren’t thinking about salary caps when you were winning

Pathetic

 

[M18CTID]

Apparantly the red cartel clubs are furious that the inflated charges haven't been Kangaroos into court quickly enough.
Independent Paywall Article: https://archive.ph/TOrB8

If true then it shows - not surprisingly - that the clubs who are allegedly complaining don't give a fuck about due process. All these cunts need to know is that the City and Everton cases will take as long as they take.

 

[beehive_bob]

'Heritage clubs'. I've heard it all now.

 

[hello]

What i think is PL doesn't have anything against us unless we disclose our documents or witnesses (which we won't because it was not part of the rule at the time). That's the reason this will take long and probably nothing will happen.
For example in case of Juventus they had clear evidence so the prosecution was fast.

That appears to be very much the case as to how & why the W rules were added instead of the generic both parties should act in good faith charge rule B. The PL want to apply those rules added post the hack publication to previous seasons and the club seemingly said fuck off you deal with each season on that seasons handbook. Its was just reported as an appeal against him being an Arsenal member because our media are scummier than sewer rats.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Apparantly the red cartel clubs are furious that the inflated charges haven't been Kangaroos into court quickly enough.
Independent Paywall Article: https://archive.ph/TOrB8

That did read as an attempt to pressure the PL into doing something.
It's pointless though, as the lawyers/investigation will not be hurried by media bleating.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

This team is capable of 90 points and above each season, if they enforced something like that City would still have champions league football. The way Arsenal collapsed we could potentially still be champions if a similar scenario happened in the future, now that would boil some piss around the country.

People who say City/PL is boring could not be further from the truth. There is a wider story here that is utterly compelling and will stand the test of time. The current war between us, the PL and the old cartel is for the future direction of the sport and also has geo-political ramifications such that it transcends the sport itself. When the dust settles, and the war has been won, there will be a huge appetite for the inside story and documentary series will be made about it in years to come.

This is a point which seems lost on our media. The English press is fixated on an anti-Arab narrative and no one will deviate from that narrative. But the real story about the covert battle between the US tycoons in charge of the cartel clubs and City's owner (and now Newcastle) is a much better story. The skullduggery that has gone on, ranging from fake news websites, hacking of databases, vicious smear campaigns and has even spread to New York City with the wrangle over CFG's plans to develop a new stadium and hundreds of homes (as has happened in Manchester) would make a great Netflix series. While all this is happening the UK Goverment is driving forward to strip the PL of all its regulatory powers and only one football club is supporting them..City.
But the UK media is too stupid, bigoted, and lazy to take this story on.

 

[KS55]

Associated? That's a can of worms they don't want to open... pretty much every team will be guilty of 'associated' sponsorships... United only got Chevrolet as a sponsor because of their American owners... Leicester and King Power... and god help Wrexham if they get to the PL - ALL their current sponsors are 'associated'!

Let's face it – at all levels of Football, clubs have 'associated' sponsors... If I had a company successful enough to be able to afford to sponsor a PL club, I'd pick City obviously... likewise, company's from Abu Dhabi will want to sponsor City because of the links to their country... Saudi company's will do the same with Newcastle etc.

Quite right. They do not understand how sponsorship works. You don’t cold call, you start with business contacts, shareholders, etc etc and work outwards from there. But they have added “associated“ just to get at us.

 

[moomba]

I think salary caps would be next to impossible to bring in. You'd have to factor in things like tax, cost of housing, cost of living etc for it to be fair.

But the main clubs that want to bring in salary caps, don't want a fair system. They want a system where they can spend what they want, and the perceived smaller clubs can't.

We'd now benefit from a salary cap, it would stop clubs that don't earn as much as us from competing. But it would be a shit thing to bring in, unless it was a proper competitive fair cap.