PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

deano ou812 said:
Maybe that’s their intention destroy it and a new format/league pops up ..
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Funny how the hat happens……

Now imagine a really good financial deal negotiated for those outside the top league giving up the dream of promotion……. Who would come up with such an idea ……. Parry?
 
paulchapo said:
Brilliant and spot on. He's taken the best product in world football and ruined it. If it carries on in this way English clubs will be championship level once more in Europe. As for a regulator, if whoever is appointed does as good a job as the absolute fuckwits running the country football really is fucked.
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But that depends what you define as ruin.
For fans?
100% it’s terrible, the game is shit. Broken up, squeezed for every last penny. Can’t celebrate because you don’t know if it’s a goal yet. Etc etc.

For the money men? Absolutely not. Football cannot be stopped, it is a complete juggernaut and there’s only going to be more and more money for them. Them, of course, being the closed shop at the top.
 
TheThirdDeano said:
But that depends what you define as ruin.
For fans?
100% it’s terrible, the game is shit. Broken up, squeezed for every last penny. Can’t celebrate because you don’t know if it’s a goal yet. Etc etc.

For the money men? Absolutely not. Football cannot be stopped, it is a complete juggernaut and there’s only going to be more and more money for them. Them, of course, being the closed shop at the top.
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For the fans exactly. I've had the best years. The great Bell, Lee and Summerbee ones, the rollercoaster of relegations and promotions, the takeover and becoming the best team in the world. Once we beat these charges that's it, job done.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
This is where the club’s anodyne and somewhat servile response to these charges is having real and practical effect to us as supporters.

Wouldn’t it be good if the club actually asserted themselves and took the initiative?

Act like fucking champions, rather than Uncle Toms?

Wouldn’t that be nice?
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100 fucking percent.
 
JGL07 said:
The problem with fixed limits like that is that it will prevent any challenge to the existing order. No updating for inflation will make it harder and harder for any team to break into the elite group.

For many years, United, Liverpool, Arsenal, and Chelsea locked out the top four. That gave them access to European money and they were barely challenged without any spending restrictions in place. Over a long period they locked out the top four apart from when Everton edged Liverpool out. The rules were changed to put Liverpool back the in CL and Everton fell in the payoff round.

It was only when challenges from Spurs, City, (and later Newcastle) came in to that four that the established G14 clubs came up with FFP. It is now being used by the US owned clubs to ensure they can make money and stifle competition. Newcastle are being hidebound by FFP. Villa will probably be prevented from mounting a serious fight.

Such limits will prevent much challenge to the biggest clubs and destroy any real competition. I am sure that once these charges are dismissed, City will be happy with FFP.

That doesn’t make it right.
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It's a different argument though. Even with 'football inflation' upgrading that £35m a year to £70m, it isn't going to help anyone get anywhere near to the Champions League spots on a regular basis. Keeping the limits at £105, rather than £215 is not the reason that Newcastle can't sustain a challenge.

If you want to compete, then I think a mid-table club would need to look at losses of at least £500m a year for a minimum of four/five years. You look at the money our owner had to spend, and then how different the financial situation is now, and it's absolutely scary levels of investment.
 
paulchapo said:
For the fans exactly. I've had the best years. The great Bell, Lee and Summerbee ones, the rollercoaster of relegations and promotions, the takeover and becoming the best team in the world. Once we beat these charges that's it, job done.
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I agree mate, but the more I see the more I see us ‘legacy’ fans are being pushed away by both the league and the club. But no matter what we say or do nothing seems to change that for the people at the top.
For every one of us that protests by not going 10 are waiting to pay more to go for a day our
 
TheThirdDeano said:
I agree mate, but the more I see the more I see us ‘legacy’ fans are being pushed away by both the league and the club. But no matter what we say or do nothing seems to change that for the people at the top.
For every one of us that protests by not going 10 are waiting to pay more to go for a day our
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There are now yes. It won't be sustainable. If Pep leaves and we go a few years without a trophy, or God forbid these charges stick they'll melt away. Us real legacy fans are at least in our sixties and above, when we go who fills the void?
 
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nmc said:
What does acting like Champions actually look like… in my lifetime the precedent has been Liverpool, the Rags or Arsenal and they’ve all been gloating wankers. We are far more classy.
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I think what some mean puff our chest out we are Manchester City the fucking champions and we are at the moment the Alpha male the rest need to know there place,and be a bit more proactive,the media for a start who I couldn’t give too fucks about ban whoever steps out of line and don’t make it a couple of months start with 2-3 years that includes sky,tnt and whoever try’s to belittle the club or make disparaging remarks fuck them time for an iron fist ..
 
paulchapo said:
There are now yes. It won't be sustainable. If Pep leaves and we go a few years without a trophy, or God forbid these charges stick they'll melt away. Us real legacy fans are at least in our sixties and above, when we go who fills the void?
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Pep won’t be going yet,he’s not klopp he has free reign which is keeping him energised in my opinion and that’s even if we do the treble again..
 
Joe Donachie said:
If scruffy Jim gets taxpayers money to invest in a new stadium, then I think there would be mass protest from people who work in the medical and education field where a lack of investment is far more needed than some football stadium that could be built out of his own pocket! The fact Andy burnham supports his idea says it all about him as a mayor for me! He is terrible that Andy burnham! He just creeps on other peoples ideas! Waits for the media reaction and the jumps on the side that is in the majority usually! I think the mayor should be that guy who sets up park life every year! He seems to speak a lot of sense in regards to Manchester and business, plus he is from here not like burnham
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Sacha Lord is his name. Went to school with his brother.
Totally irrelevant fact there.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
If the club is supremely confident about defeating these charges they should be more strident in asserting that.

What is there to lose from that?
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Nothing to lose. The boards Uncle Tom act is hard to understand by fans, who daily have to face the insults and slurs of 115. A little help from the club would be appreciated, but all we get is silence. It’s like they don't give a shit about their fans.
 
Its amazing that after what this club has set out to achieve and what is has achieved that people still criticise and doubt it for refusing to shoot down and argue with assasanine idiots throwing baseless accusations, they have already decided we are guilty and nothing anyone says especially the club is going to change that so just laugh in the full knowledge that the club is playing chess while these fuckers are playing tiddlywinks.
 
Aside from the fact that ffp is a pile of balls. Clubs are supposed to break even and the 35m per year safety net or whatever isn’t meant to be the target to work against. 0m is the target. Increasing the 35m in line with inflation perpetuates that. Whereas surely it should be being reduced each year until there’s no deficit. Ignoring inflation had that happy natural effect. Aside from that it’s a pile of balls.
 
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